Re: [apps-discuss] Review of: draft-ietf-appsawg-nullmx-00

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Fri, 21 February 2014 18:43 UTC

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On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:

> Except that 'authorized' is the essential point, to distinguish between
> legitimate uses and spoofing, etc. uses.  The word 'legitimate' doesn't
> work well here. So 'authorized' seems the next closes.
>
> There are three essential problems with the original wording. The first
> is that domains don't 'send' mail. Also the word 'send' is frankly
> ambiguous in its own right here. And lastly is that the stricture needs
> to cover keep the domain name out of a number of different fields.
>

My problem is that "SHOULD NOT be authorized for use" is a concept that
exists entirely inside the ADMD creating the content; it points to
something that's not subject to interoperability.  "SHOULD NOT be used", by
contrast, is something that a receiver can evaluate.