[apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Thu, 27 March 2014 21:42 UTC
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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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Subject: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS
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Colleagues, The IESG Evaluation of draft-ietf-appsawg-rrvs-header-field has resulted in the draft being sent back to the working group for reworking. In the same manner as the MT-PRIORITY work, they would like us to split the document into a standards track document that defines the SMTP extension independent of the header field, and a document not on the standards track that defines the header field as it relates to the extension. Fortunately, most of the text that goes into both of the documents already exists in the one we have now. Some of the points raised during evaluation that will need to be considered in the split are: 1) More attention should be paid to the issue of invalidating content signatures when the header field gets removed. 2) The potential for revealing information unnecessarily to end users when the message is relayed to non-participating MTAs needs to be underscored. 3) There should be a mechanism for the sender to request that the message be bounced when a relay that doesn't support the SMTP extension is encountered, rather than encouraging the tunneling option. 4) There should be stronger discouragement, possibly even a MUST NOT, for the multiple recipients case. 5) When using the header field version, there's no guarantee at all that downstream agents actually understand and will respect the semantics. In that scenario the sender is essentially tossing the message over the wall and hoping for the best. Even if the first hop supports the SMTP extension, there's no guarantee that a downstream MTA won't downgrade and be sloppy about it. To minimize the impact of this, I plan to try to produce the two documents this weekend and get them available to the WG for review. Assuming we can come to consensus quickly (the text changes shouldn't be too huge), we should be able to send this back to the IESG in just one or two telechat cycles. There's a separate issue in general about better guidance around when to use SMTP extensions vs. header fields. I tried to address that in draft-kucherawy-email-caps, which also needs some work after some review comments I've received. I'll try to do all three this weekend. Barry and Pete, please add or correct anything above as necessary. -MSK
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- [apps-discuss] IETF89 minutes t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] IETF89 minutes Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS J. Trent Adams
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Hector Santos
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John R Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John R Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Kurt Andersen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Bill Mills
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John R Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John R Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John R Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Ned Freed
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John R Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John R Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John R Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Bill Mills
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Bill Mills
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Hector Santos
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Bill Mills
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Hector Santos
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Hector Santos
- Re: [apps-discuss] IETF89 minutes Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Bill Mills
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Bill Mills
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Pete Resnick
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Hector Santos
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Pete Resnick
- Re: [apps-discuss] Splitting RRVS Pete Resnick
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Not splitting RRVS Hector Santos