Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-considered-harmful-01
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-considered-harmful-01
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Eric Burger wrote: > What is the difference between X-mumble and Eric-mumble? Does private namespaces really help the fundamental problem? I think not. Or not much. I keep wondering why RFC3864 [1] isn't more visible in this discussion: provisional registration is cheap and easy. Where's the problem here that I'm not seeing? [[ The main requirements for a header field to be included in the provisional repository are that it MUST have a citable specification, and there MUST NOT be a corresponding entry (with same field name and protocol) in the permanent header field registry. ]] -- RFC3864, section 4.2.2 #g -- [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3864 Eric Burger wrote: > Well... Is not the problem that a proprietary extension becomes standard? > > What is the difference between X-mumble and Eric-mumble? Does private namespaces really help the fundamental problem? > > On Oct 25, 2010, at 2:58 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > >> >> --On Sunday, October 24, 2010 21:13 -0400 Tony Hansen >> <tony@att.com> wrote: >> >>> The vendor and personal namespaces used for media types have >>> an extremely low overhead as well and are pretty darn close to >>> your "free love" level. >> Of course, they depend on structuring the type name. >> Optional-field in RFC 5322 Section 3.6.8 does not anticipate >> such structuring, but does not prohibit it either (nor does it >> prohibit "X-"; it just doesn't give it any special >> interpretation). I don't believe I've seen enough use of, e.g., >> header field names with periods in them to prevent our making >> that sort of structuring now. But it is a little late in the >> game and I wonder how long such a convention would require to be >> widely deployed and recognized. >> >>> I think adding such namespaces for headers would be cheap, >>> easy to do, and would solve many of the problems people see >>> with X-. >>> >>> Thoughts? >> For the reasons above, I question "cheap" and "easy to do", >> although it certainly strikes me as a good idea. >> >> john >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> apps-discuss mailing list >> apps-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > apps-discuss mailing list > apps-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Eric Burger
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Tony Hansen
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Eric Burger
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Eric Johnson
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Thomson, Martin
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Thomson, Martin
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Graham Klyne
- Re: [apps-discuss] draft-saintandre-xdash-conside… Thomson, Martin