Re: [apps-discuss] Objection to processing draft-ietf-appsawg-text-markdown-* documents as WG drafts (was: Re: Benoit Claise's Discuss on draft-ietf-appsawg-text-markdown-use-cases-02: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT))

[Dave Crocker <[e-mail]>]

On 7/12/2015 4:20 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
> The kinds of problematic text (and a few actual
> errors) that are being found during and subsequent to IETF Last
> Call suggests strongly that the WG process failed to do an
> adequate review from several perspectives. 


John,

I'm confused.  You appear to be saying that it is exceptional for a
working group process to turn out documents for IESG processing that are
seriously flawed.  In contrast I believe it is a periodic occurrence
across all areas and all working groups, and arguably always has been.

While crappy drafts really are problematic, I do not understand what was
supposedly exceptional in the AppsArea wg process that distinguishes it
from various other working groups around the IETF over the years,
including these days.

In any event, absent very specific citations from you, that point to
actions that need to have been done differently, there is no way to know
what problems to correct, or requirements to impose, for this wg or any
other.

d/

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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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