Re: [arch-d] New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-avoiding-internet-centralization-01.txt

[Mark Nottingham <[e-mail]>]

Hi Vittorio,

Thanks for the reference. I've been thinking a lot about intermediation recently as well, but don't know that I come to the same conclusions. I'll try to write something up (but it may take some time).

Cheers,


> On 10 Jan 2022, at 10:17 pm, Vittorio Bertola <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> Il 09/01/2022 10:18 Mark Nottingham <[e-mail]> ha scritto:
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>> Hello everyone,
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>> Happy New Year! 
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>> This is a bit more polished, thanks to some holiday time, some quarantine time, and feedback received. 
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>> Responses and suggestions still most welcome.
> I don't know if you had a chance to have a look at the new draft I posted a few days ago to the model-t list: 
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bertola-everything-but-the-user/ 
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> It's a take (a personal position) on the discussion on a possible expansion of the RFC 3552 Internet threat model. It looks like we are attacking similar problems from different angles; especially the problem of centralisation - which IMHO is significantly worsened by having a threat model which considers non-user-controlled endpoint elements as out of scope, rather than as potentially adversarial intermediaries much like the in-network ones - and the discussion on multistakeholderism. 
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> On this latter point, commenting on S Moonesamy's observation and your recent reply, I would also say that the IETF is currently not a fully multistakeholder entity, not for the lack of formalized constituencies but for the lack of significant participation by many of the non-technical Internet constituencies. However, whether it makes sense for non-technical stakeholders to participate in a technical SDO - and how - is up for discussion, and as you will find in the draft, my suggestion is that non-technical stakeholders should come into play in selected situations, only when the non-technical impact of the new standard looks relevant. 
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