Re: [Arcing] A bit more on the problem statement

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 04 February 2016 23:12 UTC

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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 15:12:31 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Arcing] A bit more on the problem statement
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Douglas Otis <doug.mtview@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 2/4/16 11:44 AM, Ted Hardie wrote:
> > If we get broad agreement to use a particular signal,
> > like .alt, then folks minting new namespaces in .alt can
> > avoid collision with a simple FCFS registry.  If everyone
> > plays nice, there is no collision and you have no big
> > issues.  But we have no way of making that so, and we
> > have seen in the pseudo-TLD case that people mint these,
> > use them, and then require updates of others to deal with
> > the collisions.  Depending on the usage of .alt or a
> > similar signal, that could remain a concern (at least
> > version of the proposal had no registry at all, just the
> > reserved top label).
>
> Dear Ted,
>
> Why assume .home should be converted to .home.alt? Is this
> to ensure .alt gains inertia with its namespace containing
> definitions similar to those found with
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cheshire-homenet-dot-home-02?
>
>
​For what it is worth, I think you missed the fact I was citing
someone else's work, not advocating .alt myself.  That said,
I believe the draft you cite has a method that covers this:
​




> Open-ended FCFS registration will encourage an explosion of
> variant namespaces having any number of resolution methods
> and context. It seems safer to keep .home as defined by
> draft-cheshire-homenet-dot-home-02, and let .alt develop
> independently. In the goodness of time resource assessments
> and related risks assessments can then be made.
>
> Small home CPE devices offer limited storage and need
> simplistic access methods to limit vulnerabilities and
> coding complexity. As such, offering a highly extensible
> resolution structure as a first step seems ill considered.
> Otherwise, assessing security risks will provide resulting
> extensibility APIs likely to make Java and Flash defense
> seem trivial in comparison and will do nothing to limit the
> leakage of .home.
>
> Regards,
> Douglas Otis
>
>
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