[art] Re: FW: [Maprg] MAPRG agenda for IETF-125

[Steffen Nurpmeso <[e-mail]>]

Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in
 <20260311184346.Mz6rcHDi@steffen%sdaoden.eu>:
 |Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in
 | <20260311170308.YLqAbd_d@steffen%sdaoden.eu>:
 ||Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in
 || <20260311165727.8ZHidv3i@steffen%sdaoden.eu>:
 || ...
 ||||If you don't have anything constructive to say, please strongly consider
 ||||not saying anything.  Merely bashing the IETF at every opportunity isn't
 |||
 |||Oh!  No.  I was not bashing the IETF, i was critizing the
 |||(non-plain-SMTP) email part of the IETF, which currently is in the
 |||process of allowing cryptographically safe tracing even beyond the
 |||lifetime of SMTP transmissions.
 |||It would have been nice if the announced session would have
 |||included data which shows that.  Such a tremendous database, with
 |||so many messages.
 ||
 ||What that meant (i edited too much) is that "in my world", and
 ||i posted it to dkim in the past, when also employers of people
 ||writing that dkim2 draft did that, many SMTP Received: headers
 ||become domain-centric in that no envelope data exists, aka mail
 ||from maybe, but not the recipient.
 ||It would have been tremendous to see a survey about that on such
 ||a big database.
 |
 |Look, the study says
 |
 |  In the process of parsing Received headers through regular
 |  expressions, we find that 28.35% of Received headers contain
 |  email addresses
 |
 |So *how* can you say what you say?
 |You have not even cared to read what i wrote!
 |Let alone the (likely) person(s) who are irritated, or whatever
 |they are or think they should be.
 |
 |Plain fact is: *you* are about to change the vivid being of 72.65%
 |of the (study covered) internet!

And not for "their better".
You drag into light things people do not want to see, as it seems.
And increasing, as i wrote (and have shown, from the little corner
of the internet i see).

And, and *that* is plain: for no technical reasons.
I only ever read two really useful messages on the DKIM list, as
i already said there, from two developers that actually develop
SMTP software, and two of the most widely used ones.  And what
they said, it was not even heard, there was no response, nothing.

Is that right?  I repeat: is that a correct assessment?

 |Wow!
 |Please strongly consider to say something to actually deal.

Yeah, and now that i know what Eric Allman said in public in 2019,
likely (i do not know him personally, at all) referring to elder
"happenings".  I dare to repeat in public that we have certain
wrong people in the non-hardcore-SMTP area (i really like and
admire Mr. Klensin, and loved to have seen the "SHOULD/MUST mouse
race" on emailcore@ (via web interface, as you pointed me to it;
it maybe should not have been necessary, maybe, also as it is
a repeated occurrence, but that is imho, i do not know).

 |Have a nice day.
 |Ciao and greetings from Germany,

Yes.  I am busy, like many.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)