Re: [art] Modern Network Unicode

"Martin Thomson" <mt@lowentropy.net> Mon, 08 July 2019 02:31 UTC

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Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 12:31:22 +1000
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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Subject: Re: [art] Modern Network Unicode
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I like Section 5.  I was going to send a similar note to the authors of the Robots Exclusion Protocol, but now I can just say "What Carsten said".

I agree with the others about the standalone document thing.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, at 06:15, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> This week, I have been asked twice (for independent drafts) what these
> drafts should say about their usage of Unicode.  It turns out, we have
> an RFC that is almost, but not entirely unlike what is needed to
> reference for a new protocol that uses text: RFC 5198.
> I have tried to build on that in the very short draft:
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bormann-dispatch-modern-network-unicode
> 
> I would expect that such a specification, once completed, would be a
> useful point of reference for any new protocols that need to use text
> without any specific requirements imposed by their applications.
> (Protocols that already have been around probably benefit less,
> because there always are legacy considerations.)
> 
> I'm not yet asking for dispatching this document; right now I would
> just like to receive feedback from this esteemed community to further
> improve the document.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
> 
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