Re: [Asdf] Roman Danyliw's Block on charter-ietf-asdf-01-00: (with BLOCK and COMMENT)

Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> Wed, 03 April 2024 06:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asdf] Roman Danyliw's Block on charter-ietf-asdf-01-00: (with BLOCK and COMMENT)
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Hi Roman

I won't answer all of your questions, but on this one:

On 03.04.2024 05:37, Roman Danyliw via Datatracker wrote:
> -- Is "gateway interactions translating between IP and other transports" is
> this a data model issue or a protocol?

In Prague Bart Brinckman and Braedon Sanford presented 
draft-brinckman-nipc to the ASDF working group, and there was very broad 
support for a charter change to create a transport for SDF (just about 
everyone in the room).  Consider: a great many IoT devices are not IP 
based, but their applications need IP to scale, and to lead to 
sustainable approaches (the alternative being duplication of 
infrastructure).  There are implementations available, and this was 
worked at the hackathon in Prague as well.  That said, the charter 
proposes covering the area, and doesn't require a specific draft.

Eliot