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RE: [Asrg] 'GIEIS' - The Fourth Response

"Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@verisign.com> Thu, 03 July 2003 14:51 UTC

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From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@verisign.com>
To: 'Esa Laitinen' <esa@laitinen.org>, asrg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Asrg] 'GIEIS' - The Fourth Response
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 07:50:27 -0700

I seem to remember that excessive port scanning was one of the issues that
was litigated in the new Zealand ORBS cases. 

I tried to read the GIEIS paper and I cannot understand what the proposal
is, what it is trying to achieve or what the prospect of a reduction in spam
as a result would be.

Statements that 'intellectual copyright' is reserved do not lend confidence,
I am not aware of any such concept in US or international copyright law.
Copyright protects the embodiment of an idea, never the idea itself. Even
the EU doctrine of moral right of the author does not cover this.


		Phill


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Esa Laitinen [mailto:esa@laitinen.org]
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:14 AM
> To: asrg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] 'GIEIS' - The Fourth Response
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 03:28:51AM +0000, Mark McCarron wrote:
> > It is worth addressing.  A port scan only tests for basic 
> security and 
> > access to a system.  It is hardly a physical assault, also, 
> coming from a 
> > trusted domain everyone would be quite aware it was not a 
> breach attempt on 
> > their systems.  Since these scans would be sent clear text 
> across the web 
> > anyone with a little knowledge could analyse them.  If 
> there was anything 
> > suspisious it would be repoted instantly all over the world.
> 
> Nevertheless port scanning is illegal in some parts of the 
> world, with 
> convictions to back the claim (decision of Finnish Supreme 
> Court, case 
> number KKO:2003:36).
> 
> Welcome to Finland after you've started your large scale scanning ;-)
> 
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