Re: [Asrg] Forbes: Pay up

Matt <msergeant@startechgroup.co.uk> Thu, 03 July 2003 12:14 UTC

Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA08023 for <asrg-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:14:41 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Y2yY-0001JO-Qi for asrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:14:12 -0400
Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h63CEADV005036 for asrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:14:10 -0400
Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Y2yY-0001J9-MX for asrg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:14:10 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA08011; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:14:09 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Y2yX-0005fd-00; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:14:09 -0400
Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Y2yX-0005fa-00; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:14:09 -0400
Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Y2yO-0001HE-U5; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:14:00 -0400
Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Y2xY-0001Gj-8o for asrg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:13:12 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA07999 for <asrg@ietf.org>; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:13:07 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Y2xX-0005ez-00 for asrg@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:13:07 -0400
Received: from hippo.star.co.uk ([195.216.14.9] helo=matt-dev.int.star.co.uk) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Y2xW-0005eq-00 for asrg@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:13:06 -0400
Received: (qmail 1441 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 12:12:59 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO startechgroup.co.uk) (10.2.100.90) by matt?dev.int.star.co.uk with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 12:12:59 -0000
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Forbes: Pay up
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format="flowed"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552)
Cc: s.schear@comcast.net, ASRG <asrg@ietf.org>, camram-spam@camram.org
To: "Roy S. Walker" <roy.walker@advascan.com>
From: Matt <msergeant@startechgroup.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <200307022320.h62NKgxB027562@imta.advascan.com>
Message-Id: <B315F736-AD4F-11D7-B1B1-0003939CB5D8@startechgroup.co.uk>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552)
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: asrg-admin@ietf.org
Errors-To: asrg-admin@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: asrg@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12
Precedence: bulk
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Id: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg.ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:asrg@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Archive: <https://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/asrg/>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:13:04 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Thursday, Jul 3, 2003, at 00:46 Europe/London, Roy S. Walker wrote:

> "Charge the sender" was discussed yesterday at the famous 'spam 
> summit' at the house of commons in
> the UK.  View seems to be: this will further encourage the practice of 
> spammers to gain control of
> legitimate email servers, with the intention of sending out spam from 
> an 'authorised' sender (the
> recent piece on the BBC re British Airways as a source of spam 
> refers..). This idea will NOT work
> in practice.  Naive innocents would pick up the charge.

Actually just a factual correction - the article was slightly 
misleading. The spam came direct from super-zonda, it was the web site 
that was being proxied through BA-Travel's web site. Your point remains 
though.

Solve the problem of email forgery (which is required for the "charge 
for email" model) and you've solved the spam problem (or at the very 
least we can go back to just using blocklists).

Matt.


_______________________________________________
Asrg mailing list
Asrg@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg