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RE: [Asrg] Viruses

"Bob Wyman" <bob@wyman.us> Wed, 25 June 2003 20:46 UTC

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From: Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us>
To: "'Hallam-Baker, Phillip'" <pbaker@verisign.com>, gep2@terabites.com, 'Barry Shein' <bzs@world.std.com>
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Subject: RE: [Asrg] Viruses
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Note: this thread is only very marginally relevant to the subject of
this group...
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> The only O/S security feature I am aware of that is relevant 
> in this regard is the VMS fine grained privileges that 
> allowed processes to be created that did not have network 
> access or did not have file access.

	VMS also had pretty good file system access control (as did most
of the Digital operating systems). Given basic access controls (Read,
Write, Delete, Execute) plus access control lists on files and
directories, it was very difficult to insert viruses into system files.
	Given a few more decades, the ex-VMS folk at Microsoft (Cutler,
Bell, Bernstein, etc.) might actually be able to get Windows to the
level that we had VMS back in the early 80's... After all WNT is just
VMS+1...

		bob wyman
		(11.5 years with DEC starting in '79...)




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