Re: [Asrg] Community proposal alert...Vendor Proposes Open E-mail Standards To Fight Spam

J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> Sat, 03 May 2003 22:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Community proposal alert...Vendor Proposes Open E-mail Standards To Fight Spam
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Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 15:44:00 -0700

On Sat, 3 May 2003 16:49:06 -0400 
Eric D Williams <eric@infobro.com> wrote:

> Is opt-out a viable concept?  

There are over 6 billion people on the planet.  There are
(potentially/possibly) a considerably larger number of email addresses.
I don't want to manually opt-out from even a tiny percentage of that
lot.

If instead I can opt out of "classes" of mail, a seemingly charming
idea, then I have no trust that the miniscule fraction of those 6
billion required to be REALLY ANNOYING won't of course think that their
mail is either a special case not covered by the exclusions, or that
they simply don't care (or never knew in the first place).

Either way, with opt-out the numbers are against me from before either
of use were born.  No thanks.  

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