Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exaggerating
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> Thu, 03 July 2003 11:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exaggerating
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 06:59:23 -0400
On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 09:57:46AM -0400, Alan DeKok wrote > Vernon's recent message is at least partially correct. Some current > anti-spam systems have made a difference for some people. What he's > missing is that they haven't made enough of a difference for people > like my friends grandmother. He's also shown his hand (IMHO), and > explained for the first time why he's opposed to solutions which > involve the IETF: his anti-spam system is a workable band-aid. > > But band-aids aren't considered good patient care. Cures are. Let me address those points. Back in November of 2002, I got 43 spams from Korea, in Korean characterset, in the first 10 days of the month. China and Taiwan, both of whom had mercilessly pounded my old waltdnes@interlog.com account, had recently "discovered" my new personal domain. China was more worrisome, because some of their spam was in English, which slipped past my procmail filters that looked for foreign characters. Plus I was getting flooded with sob stories from Mrs. Miriam Booga, widow of the former Nigerian dictator, the late General Ooga Booga. In late December, I got an account at clss.net that allows end-users to set up individual blocklist selections and whitelists. Processing takes place just after RCPT:, and rejections consist of the big 550, not the mailbombing of innocent 3rd-parties that have been forged as the "From:" address. I was able to point my personal-domain MX-record at clss.net and keep my current email address. My spam count on this account has gone down from multiple spams per day to multiple days between spams. Yes, it took a bit of fiddling but it's worth it. Although I personally prefer editing with vim, there is a menu-driven setup option. As far as I'm concerned, my problem has been almost 100% cured. That cure is available to others. Bill Gates may be unhappy that it's done via a modified Qmail, and Exchange may not be able to duplicate that, but it's not my problem. > What amazes me is the opposition to anything *other* than short-term > band-aids. If you've got minor cuts, bandaids *ARE* the appropriate solution. Some of the suggested cures are worse than the disease. Since we're on this patient-doctor analogy, let me remind you of Hippocrates' admonition "First, do no harm". I'm willing to endure short-term pain for long-term gain, but I do want improvement that makes it worthwhile. -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Yakov Shafranovich
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- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Jon Kyme
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- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Markus Stumpf
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Walter Dnes
- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Alan DeKok
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- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Alan DeKok
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- Re: [Asrg] In case anyone thought Barry was exagg… Walter Dnes
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