Re: [Asrg] Is there anything good enough?

"Alan DeKok" <aland@freeradius.org> Wed, 07 May 2003 16:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Is there anything good enough?
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Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:05:30 -0400

Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote:
> See, if one doesn't understand their MO's one tends to imagine them
> only doing stuff that's easy and comfortable to think about.

  So the people coming up with proposals are stupid.

  That's a MUCH better argument than coming up with technical and
quantitative flaws in a proposal.

> My message, as someone who has sat on the front-lines of all this for
> many years, is:
> 
> a) Spam is more subtle than most people, even those who think they
> understand it, think.
> 
> b) It's unlikely a technical solution will ever work.

  Then please unsubscribe from the list, and get out of the way of
people who ARE trying to come up with a technical solution.

  Maybe a miracle will occur, and a solution you can't image will be
presented.  But that's less likely to occur if people sit here and
oppose every proposal, based on non-technical reasons.

  Alan DeKok.
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