RE: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re: [Asrg] Bogus reasoning)
"Elric Pedder" <elric@novitraq.com> Wed, 02 July 2003 22:10 UTC
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From: Elric Pedder <elric@novitraq.com>
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Subject: RE: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re: [Asrg] Bogus reasoning)
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> From: asrg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:asrg-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of C. Wegrzyn > Sent: July 2, 2003 16:38 > To: Barry Shein > Cc: gep2@terabites.com; Yakov Shafranovich; asrg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re: > [Asrg] Bogus reasoning) > I believe the only real alternative is for every ISP (and > this can be done I believe) to take on a per-email > transaction fee. This proposal is made quite often, but I cannot see how it would work. SMTP does not require the participation of any ISP other than for the transmission of packets. In order to levy a charge, the ISP would have to monitor your traffic, detect SMTP usage, detect actual e-mail delivery, and bill you for it. What you create is an incentive for users to avoid the detection of SMTP delivery -- a whole new problem. Without getting in to the "big brother" concepts or using some sort of "centralised register of authorised e-mail delivery agents" perhaps ISPs could bill a higher rate for port 25-destined traffic than other traffic, and require that every SMTP transaction contain only one RCPT address. Unfortunately port 25-destined traffic does not actually cost any more than other-port-destined traffic. Therefore in a competitive marketplace prices will be driven down to cost+margin. The only weapon I can think of against market competition is the government. So... would you accept a government tax on e-mail? Ultimately, I just don't see how you could charge for e-mail. -- Elric Pedder Mailtraq Development (www.mailtraq.com) _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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- 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re: [As… Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… gep2
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… C. Wegrzyn
- [Asrg] Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SM… Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacin… C. Wegrzyn
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… gep2
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… C. Wegrzyn
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Barry Shein
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Barry Shein
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… C. Wegrzyn
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… C. Wegrzyn
- RE: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Elric Pedder
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… C. Wegrzyn
- [Asrg] Certs and trusts... C. Wegrzyn
- RE: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Daniel Feenberg
- [Asrg] RE: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SM… Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Barry Shein
- [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Selby Hatch
- RE: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Bob Wyman
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? C. Wegrzyn
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Kee Hinckley
- RE: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Bob Wyman
- RE: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Bob Wyman
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Selby Hatch
- RE: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Kee Hinckley
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Kee Hinckley
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Bruce Stephens
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Kee Hinckley
- RE: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Bob Wyman
- [Asrg] Summary to date? C. Wegrzyn
- Re: [Asrg] Summary to date? Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Summary to date? C. Wegrzyn
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Walter Dnes
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Selby Hatch
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Kee Hinckley
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? C. Wegrzyn
- [Asrg] Article from WinXPnews on SPAM... C. Wegrzyn
- Re: [Asrg] Article from WinXPnews on SPAM... Alan DeKok
- Re: [Asrg] Article from WinXPnews on SPAM... list-asrg
- Re: [Asrg] Article from WinXPnews on SPAM... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Article from WinXPnews on SPAM... C. Wegrzyn
- Re: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Walter Dnes
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Dave Crocker
- Re: 6. Solutions - Longterm - Replacing SMTP (Re:… Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Nothing will stop spam??? Pete McNeil