RE: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spam wi thin consent paradigm
Paul Judge <paul.judge@ciphertrust.com> Thu, 03 July 2003 17:50 UTC
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From: Paul Judge <paul.judge@ciphertrust.com>
To: 'Tom Thomson' <tthomson@neosinteractive.com>, 'Jon Kyme' <jrk@merseymail.com>
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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spam wi thin consent paradigm
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:36:46 -0400
Ok, guys. I'm sure that you both agree that the usefulness of this thread has been exhausted. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Thomson [mailto:tthomson@neosinteractive.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:37 PM > To: Jon Kyme > Cc: ASRG > Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - > Defining spam within consent paradigm > > > "What are you on" is not a useful question to post on this list. > > I'll risk Paul's wrath and reply in the same unhelpful vein > as you have > adopted:- > > I guess if you don't understand that there is a very clear > distinction between wanting something and consenting to it we > will all do better to ignore anything you say about the > consent model for spam/spam control/spam elimination, because > you are clearly on something that has reduced your ability to > distinguish basic semantic concepts to the point where you > can't usefully communicate. > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Kyme [mailto:jrk@merseymail.com] > Sent: 03 July 2003 15:17 > To: Tom Thomson > Cc: ASRG > Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - > Defining spam within consent paradigm > > > > One trouble here is that one moment you write "does not > want" and at > > another > you write "does not consent to" just as if they > meant the same thing. > They > do not mean the same thing. > > > I consent to receiving bills from the people who supply my > electricty, > but I > don't want to receive those bills - I'd > much rather have the electricity > free. I don't think those > bills are spam - in fact I believe that any > definition of > spam that includes those bills is just plain wrong. So spam > What are you on? Ar you talking about your electricity or > your electricity bills? Of course you "want" (need or > desire) your electricity bills, given that your electricity > *isn't* free. Otherwise the first thing you'd know is that > you get a court summons for non-payment. You "consent" (express a > willingness) to receive them when you sign up with your > supplier, because you need them. What you "want" is a dictionary. > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Asrg mailing list > Asrg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg > _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg