[Atp] Re: AT Protocol Trademark

Boris Mann <boris@bmannconsulting.com> Fri, 17 July 2026 19:56 UTC

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2026, at 7:43 PM, Emelia S. wrote:
> If all other options fail, maybe it'd be worth setting up a lightweight AT Protocol Foundation (maybe under linux foundation or similar stewarding org) that holds the trademark + atproto.com domain?
> 
> It would of course be more work, but could then be governed by some process, similar to PLC's new entity (with the difference that this could just be a US 501(c)-something).
> 
> — Emelia

Yes, as I mentioned, there is a community entity being formed.