[Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text
Clinton Bowen <clinton@blacksky.app> Thu, 20 November 2025 17:59 UTC
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Subject: [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text
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"The streaming protocol should allow for alternative network transports" For my understanding of the language in the charter, this would be for if and when low-latency streaming is not available or practical? Say a system that is in a constrained environment, yes? -Clinton On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 7:29 PM Bryan Newbold <bryan= 40blueskyweb.xyz@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Hey folks, > > I spent the last couple days reading through the BoF chat log and > reviewing early charters from similar working groups (QUIC, JMAP, and > others). My first attempt at a full charter is included at the bottom. > > The charter text needs to speak to the problem statement and abstract > shape of solution, not just enumerate components from the "bricks" diagram > from the BoF (slide 13). I'm very open to feedback if the text below is > still too enumerative. > > Others have hinted at having a scope which gets you to actual low-level > interoperation in the live network today, and I think that is a great > objective. The hardest part seems to be the interface/abstraction layer to > identity systems (eg, account identifiers). I have thoughts about the > "functional requirements" for any identity systems for ATP. I touch on them > briefly in the text, and can get in to more details in a separate email > thread. On the spectrum of flexibility, i'd like to leave some components > quite flexible to identity system: for example the repo data structure > could be used in situations with no account identifiers or cryptographic > signatures at all. On the other end of the flexibility spectrum, to > interoperate in any actual network will require use of account identifiers > that other parties actually know how to resolve to public keys. The > question is what "doing ATP" will mean: does it mean using specified data > structures? Being broadly interoperable in a global network? Or something > in between? > > My short opinion is that we will want to define the abstract requirements > for identity systems, which will constrain the space of options a bit. > > ------ > Charter: Authenticated Transfer Protocol (ATP) Working Group > > The Authenticated Transfer Protocol (ATP) working group will develop > standards-track specifications for self-certifying data structures and > network protocols which enable efficient synchronization of public data > across organizational boundaries, while preserving authenticity. > > The work will be based on draft-holmgren-at-repository and the > pre-standardization implementation and deployment experience of multiple > parties in the ATP ecosystem. All existing work must undergo a consensus > process, and changes may be necessary, but gratuitous changes will be > avoided when possible. > > The working group will focus on a general purpose data repository > structure for public user data records, and mechanisms for synchronizing > repositories across the network. Repositories are cryptographically > verifiable and publicly published. Key goals for the working group: > > - A format for full repository import/export > - A low-latency streaming synchronization protocol, including notification > of data deletion > - The streaming protocol should allow for alternative network transports > - Support for redistribution of authenticated data via multiple layers of > intermediary parties > - A URI scheme for references between data records. > > Verification of signatures requires an account identity system with public > key management. The output of this working group will not mandate any > single identity system implementation. It will instead describe an > interface boundary and requirements for identity systems to fulfill that > interface. One key requirement will be support for reliable migration of > account data repositories between hosting providers. > > The following are out of scope for the working group: > > - Development or standardization of specific network account identity > systems > - Transfer of non-public or limited-visibility data > - Any application-specific data schemas > - Any social application semantics > > The ATP working group will consult the Crypto Forum Research Group (CFRG) > and Security Area groups concerning the use and selection of any > cryptographic systems. Privacy and Centralization considerations will be > documented (eg, per RFC 6873) and will inform design decisions. > ---- > > --bryan > _______________________________________________ > Atp mailing list -- atp@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to atp-leave@ietf.org >
- [Atp] Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Bryan Newbold
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Orie
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Bryan Newbold
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Orie
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Daniel Holmgren
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Orie
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Daniel Holmgren
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Daniel Holmgren
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Bryan Newbold
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Ted Hardie
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Clinton Bowen
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Daniel Holmgren
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Bryan Newbold
- [Atp] Re: Early Attempt at ATP Charter Text Eric Rescorla