Re: [auth48] changed to RFC-to-be 9330 - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9324 <draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch-20> for your review

[Bob Briscoe <[e-mail]>]

Alice, See [BB2]

On 21/10/2022 18:03, Alice Russo wrote:
> Bob,
>
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Bob Briscoe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Alice,
>>
>> All understood and thank you.
>>
>> 1) Status of my review of l4s-arch AUTH48
>> I'm nearly done on reviewing all the changes to l4s-arch. But mañana now (UK time).
> Excellent. When approvals of the document are complete, the document will wait in "AUTH48-DONE” state until the other 2 documents catch up with it.

[BB2] Understood.

>
>> 2) Looking ahead to ecn-l4s-id and aqm-dualq-coupled
>> You might recall that I pointed to XML with minor updates from those submitted (item 3 in my email to rfc-editor of 12 Sep 2022).
>> Would you rather I submitted those XML files formally as new revisions, before you start each one? Or would that cause some sort of reset on the IESG approval?
> In this case, the RPC will incorporate the changes (and request AD approval for any changes that seem beyond editorial). It’s not necessary to submit a new version to the Datatracker at this point.

[BB2] I just wanted to make sure the changes we have already written 
into each draft (but not submitted) get incorporated. Because it wasn't 
clear that they had been incorporated in the XML of l4s-arch that I got 
back from the editor. One or two of the changes I had proposed were in 
there, but most weren't. I don't know whether that was just that the 
editor coincidentally noticed the same errors, or whether they used 
ours. But I basically had to write most of them into the XML again.



Bob

>
> RFC Editor/ar
>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 20/10/2022 21:48, Alice Russo wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>> Thanks for your reply; yes, this helps.
>>>
>>> A new RFC number has been assigned (and the files have been renamed) because of the request for contiguous RFC numbers. Authors and relevant parties will receive a separate AUTH48 notification mail.
>>>
>>> Changes made thus far during AUTH48 have been retained; see the new AUTH48 status page [2].
>>>
>>> We have added draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch to Cluster 350 [1] because of your request that it be published with the other documents.  (FYI, the only way to do this within the RPC’s current workflow is to add data that says it has as normative reference (or vice versa) for a document within that cluster, so it now appears as having a reference to draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-l4s-id.)
>>>
>>> Just let us know if you have questions.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=C350
>>> [2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9330
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> RFC Editor/ar
>>>
>>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 11:26 AM, Bob Briscoe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Alice,
>>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2022 18:38, Alice Russo wrote:
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>> One question that might clear up a misunderstanding on my part:
>>>>>> Your Q11 ask for our preferences for the [ECN-L4S] short name, but I would have thought this would use the RFC-to-be short-name, given I would hope the three L4S drafts that were all approved together will all be published together.
>>>>> Regarding:
>>>>> A) draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch   (AUTH48 state as RFC-to-be 9324)
>>>>> B) draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-l4s-id (RFC-EDITOR state)  - informative ref to A.
>>>>> C) draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled (EDIT*R state) - informative ref to A.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Bob Briscoe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>>> • Each is intended to be comprehensible stand-alone
>>>>> We understood that statement — and the lack of normative references to or from draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch — to mean that to mean that document could proceed to publication on its own.
>>>> [BB] No, no. Sorry. That was from a reader's perspective. Not about publication grouping.
>>>>
>>>>> At this point, is it accurate that you want these 3 documents to be published at the same time? And that you want them to be assigned contiguous RFC numbers?
>>>> [BB] Yes. Sorry, I thought that was the reason they all went through the IESG together. I didn't understand that that was not the publication plan (I've only published single RFCs before).
>>>>
>>>> They all refer to each other dozens of times, so it would seem crazy for the first one to refer to the others as drafts, when a few days later it could refer to them as RFCs.
>>>> They've been 7 years in the brew, a few more days is nothing.
>>>>
>>>>> Essentially, it seems that you would like draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch to be part of cluster 350.
>>>>>
>>>>> For background, a cluster of documents is typically formed by normative references, or sometimes by specific request. https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/clusters/ has more info.
>>>> [BB] I would suggest that only these three get published together:
>>>> * l4s-arch
>>>> * ecn-l4s-is
>>>> * aqm-dualq-coupled
>>>>
>>>> These two have other normative dependencies, so we wouldn't want to have to wait for them:
>>>> * trill-ecn-support
>>>> * docsis-q-protection
>>>>
>>>> Is that clearer now?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> RFC Editor/ar
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:28 AM, Bob Briscoe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I had better let you know that I've been working on this.
>>>>>> I missed the email at first, and it's taking much longer than expected to check through all the changes (2 days now).
>>>>>> Hopefully, my response will be with you tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One question that might clear up a misunderstanding on my part:
>>>>>> Your Q11 ask for our preferences for the [ECN-L4S] short name, but I would have thought this would use the RFC-to-be short-name, given I would hope the three L4S drafts that were all approved together will all be published together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
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