Re: [auth48] *[AD] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9275 <draft-ietf-alto-path-vector-25> for your review
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Subject: Re: [auth48] *[AD] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9275 <draft-ietf-alto-path-vector-25> for your review
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Hi Lynne, The document looks good to me. I approve the publication of this document. Thanks. Young 2022년 9월 7일 (수) 오후 4:56, Jensen Zhang <jingxuan.n.zhang@gmail.com>님이 작성: > Hi Lynne, > > The document looks good to me. I approve the publication of this document. > > Thanks, > Jensen > > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 1:46 AM Lynne Bartholomew <lbartholomew@amsl.com> > wrote: > >> Dear authors and *AD, >> >> Checking in with you regarding the status of this document. Please let >> us know whether further changes are needed. >> >> The AUTH48 status page is here: >> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9275 >> >> If no further changes are needed, please note that we will need explicit >> approvals from each of you. >> >> Thank you! >> >> RFC Editor/lb >> >> > On Aug 25, 2022, at 8:53 AM, Lynne Bartholomew <lbartholomew@amsl.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, Kai. No worries, and thank you for confirming! >> > >> > RFC Editor/lb >> > >> >> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:25 AM, kaigao@scu.edu.cn wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Lynne, >> >> >> >> Sorry for the confusion. I have no further comments at this point. >> >> >> >> Thanks a lot! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Kai >> >> >> >> >> >> > -----Original Messages----- >> >> > From: "Lynne Bartholomew" <lbartholomew@amsl.com> >> >> > Sent Time: 2022-08-24 23:38:53 (Wednesday) >> >> > To: kaigao@scu.edu.cn >> >> > Cc: alto-ads@ietf.org, "RFC System" <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, >> younglee.tx@gmail.com, sabine.randriamasy@nokia-bell-labs.com, >> yry@cs.yale.edu, jingxuan.n.zhang@gmail.com, alto-chairs@ietf.org, >> vijay.gurbani@gmail.com, "Martin Duke" <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>, >> auth48archive@rfc-editor.org >> >> > Subject: Re: *[AD] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9275 >> <draft-ietf-alto-path-vector-25> for your review >> >> > >> >> > Hi, Kai. >> >> > >> >> > We found one new comment below -- your clarification regarding >> the boundary lines. Thank you for the explanation! >> >> > >> >> > If we missed any other new comments from you, please let us know. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks again! >> >> > >> >> > RFC Editor/lb >> >> > >> >> > > On Aug 23, 2022, at 6:16 PM, kaigao@scu.edu.cn wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Hi Lynne, >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks for the updates! Please see the comments inline. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > p.s. I switch to another edit mode on the mail client. Hope >> it handles the ">" correctly. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Best, >> >> > > >> >> > > Kai >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > -----Original Messages----- >> >> > > > From: "Lynne Bartholomew" <lbartholomew@amsl.com> >> >> > > > Sent Time: 2022-08-24 01:46:30 (Wednesday) >> >> > > > To: kaigao@scu.edu.cn, alto-ads@ietf.org >> >> > > > Cc: "RFC System" <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, >> younglee.tx@gmail.com, sabine.randriamasy@nokia-bell-labs.com, >> yry@cs.yale.edu, jingxuan.n.zhang@gmail.com, alto-chairs@ietf.org, >> vijay.gurbani@gmail.com, "Martin Duke" <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>, >> auth48archive@rfc-editor.org >> >> > > > Subject: *[AD] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9275 >> <draft-ietf-alto-path-vector-25> for your review >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Dear Kai and *AD (Zahed or Martin), >> >> > > > >> >> > > > * Zahed or Martin, as we don't know whether (1) the >> changes to "Content-Length:" values and (2) the updated '"property-map": {' >> entry at the end of Section 8.3 would be considered editorial or technical, >> please review, and let us know if you approve these updates. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Kai, thank you for your prompt reply and updated XML >> file! We have made further updates per your notes below. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > -- It appears that "we also find that multipart >> examples are missing the last boundary line" refers to the changes to >> "Content-Length:" values. If we misunderstand this note, please clarify. >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > We add a boundary line to each multipart example before >> recalculating the "Content-Length" value. >> >> > > >> >> > > > -- Regarding our question 11) (the meaning of >> "intents"): We have added a citation and Informative Reference entry for >> draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions; thank you for the suggestion. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > -- Regarding our question 13) and your reply: We >> updated as follows; thank you for your advice on these as well: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Line 1138-1140: >> >> > > > > The content is a simple string. I am not sure >> which type fits the best here, though (maybe empty?). >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Changed to <artwork>; <sourcecode> might not be >> appropriate for a simple string. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Line 1375-1379, Line 1420-1424, Line 1713-1717: >> >> > > > > The content is related to JSON but more like type >> definitions instead of data. Looks like "json-dtd" to me but I'm fine with >> using "json" here. By the way, I see in the XML of RFC 9240, such >> definitions are encoded as <artwork>. Maybe <artwork> could also be an >> option here? >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Changed to <artwork> per the XML of RFC 9240. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Line 1394-1413, Line 1626-1671, Line 1771-1790, >> Line 1904-1949, Line 2170-2188, Line 2189-2239, Line 2310-2340, Line >> 2341-2409, Line 2422-2484, Line 2490-2505, Line 2509-2530, Line 2534-2540, >> Line 2583-2613, Line 2614-2676: >> >> > > > > It seems to me that "http-message" is more >> suitable here as the content contains the HTTP header. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Thank you for making these updates in the XML. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Line 1519-1521, Line 1855-1857: >> >> > > > > Maybe "rbnf" is more suitable here. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Thank you for making these XML updates as well. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > = = = = = = = = >> >> > > > >> >> > > > The latest files are posted here: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275.txt >> >> > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275.pdf >> >> > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275.html >> >> > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275.xml >> >> > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275-diff.html >> >> > > > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275-alt-diff.html >> >> > > > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275-rfcdiff.html >> >> > > > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275-auth48diff.html >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275-xmldiff1.html >> >> > > > >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9275-xmldiff2.html >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Thanks again! >> >> > > > >> >> > > > RFC Editor/lb >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > On Aug 20, 2022, at 7:58 AM, kaigao@scu.edu.cn >> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Dear RFC Editor, >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks a lot for the review! Please see our >> responses inline. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > In addition to the comments, we also find that >> multipart examples are missing the last boundary line. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > The attached XML adopts some of the changes >> (preferred <sourcecode> type, updated examples). Please let us know if >> there are further questions. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Best, >> >> > > > > Kai >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > -----Original Messages----- >> >> > > > > > From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org >> >> > > > > > Sent Time: 2022-08-19 05:37:47 (Friday) >> >> > > > > > To: kaigao@scu.edu.cn, younglee.tx@gmail.com, >> sabine.randriamasy@nokia-bell-labs.com, yry@cs.yale.edu, >> jingxuan.n.zhang@gmail.com >> >> > > > > > Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, >> alto-ads@ietf.org, alto-chairs@ietf.org, vijay.gurbani@gmail.com, >> martin.h.duke@gmail.com, auth48archive@rfc-editor.org >> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9275 >> <draft-ietf-alto-path-vector-25> for your review >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Authors, >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > While reviewing this document during AUTH48, >> please resolve (as necessary) the following questions, which are also in >> the XML file. >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 1) <!-- [rfced] We found the following "TODO" >> and "FIXME" comments in >> >>>>>>> the provided XML file. Please confirm that the following items >> were >> >>>>>>> addressed. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> TODO: Error Handling >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> TODO: the remaining issue is where to specify the json-merge-patch >> >>>>>>> capability for each node >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> FIXME: path-vector cannot be used in multi-cost, also no reason >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> FIXME: using resource-id header in MIME part --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We confirm the items are addressed. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 2) <!-- [rfced] FYI, we updated the document >> title to follow the style of the published companion document RFC 9240. >> Please let us know any concerns. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> An ALTO Extension: Path Vector >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> An Extension for Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO): >> >>>>>>> Path Vector --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 3) <!-- [rfced] Please provide any keywords >> (beyond those that appear in the title) for use on < >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/search>. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Keywords: network visibility, abstract network >> element, shared bottleneck >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 4) <!-- [rfced] Abstract: In the following >> sentence, should "specified components" be instead "specific components"? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Current: >> >>>>>>> This is useful for applications whose performance is impacted >> >>>>>>> by specified components of a network on the end-to-end paths, >> e.g., >> >>>>>>> they may infer that several paths share common links and prevent >> >>>>>>> traffic bottlenecks by avoiding such paths. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Nice catch! Yes, it should be "specific >> components". >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 5) <!-- [rfced] Section 1: Does reordering >> the end of the following sentence improve readability? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Current: >> >>>>>>> While the existing extensions are sufficient for many overlay >> >>>>>>> applications, the QoE of some overlay applications depends not >> only >> >>>>>>> on the cost information for end-to-end paths but also on >> particular >> >>>>>>> components of a network on the paths and their properties. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Perhaps: >> >>>>>>> While the existing extensions are sufficient for many overlay >> >>>>>>> applications, the QoE of some overlay applications depends not >> only >> >>>>>>> on the cost information for end-to-end paths but also on >> particular >> >>>>>>> components and their properties on the paths of a network. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Indeed the original sentence is a bit difficult to >> parse. We propose the following text: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > While numerical/ordinal cost values for >> end-to-end paths provided by >> >> > > > > the existing extensions is sufficient to >> optimize the QoE of many >> >> > > > > overlay applications, the QoE of some overlay >> applications also >> >> > > > > depends on the properties of particular >> components on the paths. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 6) <!-- [rfced] Section 1: We had trouble >> following this sentence. Does making the sentence more parallel improve >> readability? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> Despite the claimed benefits, ISPs are not likely to expose raw >> >>>>>>> details on their network paths: first for the sake of topology >> hiding >> >>>>>>> requirement, second because it may increase volume and computation >> >>>>>>> overhead, and last because applications do not necessarily need >> all >> >>>>>>> the network path details and are likely not able to understand >> them. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggested (using the "because" construction for the first reason >> and clarifying who has the topology-hiding requirement and what things may >> increase volume and overhead): >> >>>>>>> Despite the claimed benefits, ISPs are not likely to expose raw >> >>>>>>> details on their network paths: first because ISPs have >> requirements >> >>>>>>> to hide their network topologies, second because these details >> may >> >>>>>>> increase volume and computation overhead, and last because >> applications >> >>>>>>> do not necessarily need all the network path details and are >> likely not >> >>>>>>> able to understand them. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 7) <!-- [rfced] Sections 1, 3, and 5: FYI, we >> have updated the extension label "Unified Property Map" to "entity property >> map" to match the label used by RFC 9240 (previously >> draft-ietf-alto-unified-props-new), which defines the extension. Please >> review these updates and let us know if any changes are necessary. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 8) <!-- [rfced] Section 2: FYI, we have >> removed the second sentence as it is already covered in RFC 8174: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL >> NOT", >> >>>>>>> "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", >> and >> >>>>>>> "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in >> >>>>>>> BCP 14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all >> >>>>>>> capitals, as shown here. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> When the words appear in lower case, they are to be interpreted >> with >> >>>>>>> their natural language meanings. >> >>>>>>> --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Sounds good. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 9) <!-- [rfced] Section 4.1: Is the >> punctuation (the comma and the >> >>>>>>> period after "Mbps") needed? We ask because we do not see any >> >>>>>>> punctuation following the next two such entries after mention of >> >>>>>>> "capacity region". >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> x <= 100 Mbps, >> >>>>>>> y <= 100 Mbps. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Perhaps: >> >>>>>>> x <= 100 Mbps >> >>>>>>> y <= 100 Mbps --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I tend to remove the command but keep the period >> as it is the end of the sentence. Other mentions of capacity region are in >> the middle of a sentence. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 10) <!-- [rfced] Section 4.1: Please review >> the use of "->" and " - " in this section. Should the " - " pairs below use >> double dashes (like shown in Figure 1) to more clearly indicate that >> bandwidth between directly connected nodes is being discussed? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> * The ALTO server must allow the client to distinguish the common >> >>>>>>> ANE shared by "eh1 -> eh2" and "eh1 -> eh4", e.g., "eh1 - sw1" >> and >> >>>>>>> "sw1 - sw5" in Case 1. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> * The ALTO server must expose abstract information on the >> properties >> >>>>>>> of the ANEs used by "eh1 -> eh2" and "eh1 -> eh4". For example, >> >>>>>>> an ALTO server can either expose the available bandwidth between >> >>>>>>> "eh1 - sw1", "sw1 - sw5", "sw5 - sw7", "sw5 - sw6", "sw6 - sw7", >> >>>>>>> "sw7 - sw2", "sw7 - sw4", "sw2 - eh2", "sw4 - eh4" in Case 1, or >> >>>>>>> expose 3 abstract elements "A", "B" and "C", which represent the >> >>>>>>> linear constraints that define the same capacity region in Case >> 1. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree it is better to use double dashes to be >> coherent with Figure 1. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 11) <!-- [rfced] Figure 3 and Section 6.4.1: >> We had trouble following >> >>>>>>> the meaning of "intents". Do "Data Transfer Intents" and "SDN >> >>>>>>> network intents" mean "Intent-Based Data Transfer" and >> >>>>>>> "Intent-Based SDN" or something else? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> | | On-demand resource | >> >>>>>>> (Data | | (Network allocation, demand | >> >>>>>>> Transfer | | Resource vector, etc. | >> >>>>>>> Intents) | | Constraints) (Non-ALTO interfaces)| >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> How the client makes resource requests based on the information >> and >> >>>>>>> how the resource allocation is achieved respectively depend on >> >>>>>>> interfaces between the management system and the users or a >> higher- >> >>>>>>> layer protocol (e.g., SDN network intents or MPLS tunnels), which >> are >> >>>>>>> out of the scope of this document. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > The term "intent" here is a bit misleading. "Data >> Transfer Intents" here should be interpreted as "potential data transfers >> that the clients intend to schedule". Maybe we can replace "Data Transfer >> Intents" with "Potential Data Transfers". >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > The term "SDN network intents" is from >> intent-based SDN. An intent is basically a request to the SDN system to >> route the traffic or make bandwidth reservations. Maybe we can add an >> informative reference to >> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-04.html >> ? >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 12) <!-- [rfced] Section 4.2.1: FYI, to >> improve readability, we have moved the paragraph describing Figure 5 to be >> in front of the figure instead of after it. Please let us know of any >> concerns. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 13) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "type" >> attribute of each sourcecode >> >>>>>>> element in the XML file to ensure correctness. Please note that >> we >> >>>>>>> set the fourth and subsequent sourcecode items to "json". >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> If the current list of preferred values for "type" >> >>>>>>> (https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/sourcecode-types.txt) >> >>>>>>> does not contain an applicable type, please let us know. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Line 1138-1140: >> >> > > > > The content is a simple string. I am not sure >> which type fits the best here, though (maybe empty?). >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Line 1375-1379, Line 1420-1424, Line 1713-1717: >> >> > > > > The content is related to JSON but more like type >> definitions instead of data. Looks like "json-dtd" to me but I'm fine with >> using "json" here. By the way, I see in the XML of RFC 9240, such >> definitions are encoded as <artwork>. Maybe <artwork> could also be an >> option here? >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Line 1394-1413, Line 1626-1671, Line 1771-1790, >> Line 1904-1949, Line 2170-2188, Line 2189-2239, Line 2310-2340, Line >> 2341-2409, Line 2422-2484, Line 2490-2505, Line 2509-2530, Line 2534-2540, >> Line 2583-2613, Line 2614-2676: >> >> > > > > It seems to me that "http-message" is more >> suitable here as the content contains the HTTP header. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Line 1519-1521, Line 1855-1857: >> >> > > > > Maybe "rbnf" is more suitable here. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 14) <!-- [rfced] Section 4.2.2: We removed >> "2021" here and, to avoid >> >>>>>>> constraining the timeframe with a specific year, we used "At the >> time >> >>>>>>> of this writing". Also, please note that (1) for ease of the >> reader, >> >>>>>>> (2) to avoid confusion with "AR" as used in Section 4.1 to mean >> >>>>>>> "additional requirement", and (3) because "AR/VR" is not used >> again >> >>>>>>> in this document, we changed "AR/VR" to "augmented reality / >> virtual >> >>>>>>> reality". Please let us know any objections. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> A growing trend in today's applications (2021) is to bring storage >> >>>>>>> and computation closer to the end users for better QoE, such as >> >>>>>>> Content Delivery Network (CDN), AR/VR, and cloud gaming, as >> reported >> >>>>>>> in various documents (e.g., [SEREDGE] and [MOWIE]). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> At the time of this writing, a growing trend in today's >> applications >> >>>>>>> is to bring storage and computation closer to the end users for >> >>>>>>> better QoE, such as CDNs, augmented reality / virtual reality, >> and >> >>>>>>> cloud gaming, as reported in various documents (e.g., [SEREDGE] >> and >> >>>>>>> [MOWIE]). --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 15) <!-- [rfced] Section 4.2.2 and Figure 7: >> The abbreviations for "gigabytes" and "terabytes" ("G" and "T") used here >> are unorthodox. May we update to "GB" and "TB"? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> For example, Figure 6 illustrates a typical edge-cloud scenario >> where >> >>>>>>> memory is measured in Gigabytes (G) and storage is measured in >> >>>>>>> Terabytes (T). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggested: >> >>>>>>> For example, Figure 6 illustrates a typical edge-cloud scenario >> where >> >>>>>>> memory is measured in gigabytes (GB) and storage is measured in >> >>>>>>> terabytes (TB). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Figure 7 (also adding spaces to match examples in Section 4.2.1): >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ane1: latency = 5 ms cpu = 2 memory = 8 GB storage = 10 TB >> >>>>>>> (On premise, a) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ane2: latency = 20 ms cpu = 4 memory = 8 GB storage = 10 TB >> >>>>>>> (Site-radio Edge Node 1) >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 16) <!-- [rfced] Section 4.2.2: FYI, to >> improve readability, we have moved the paragraph describing Figure 7 to be >> in front of the figure instead of after it. Please let us know of any >> concerns. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 17) <!-- [rfced] Section 4.2.2: Does "GPU" >> stand for "Graphics >> >>>>>>> Processing Unit" here, or should it be "CPU" as used earlier in >> this >> >>>>>>> section? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> With the extension defined in this document, an ALTO server can >> >>>>>>> selectively reveal the CDNs and service edges that reside along >> the >> >>>>>>> paths between different end hosts and/or the cloud servers, >> together >> >>>>>>> with their properties such as capabilities (e.g., storage, GPU) >> and >> >>>>>>> available Service Level Agreement (SLA) plans. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I think we intend to say "Graphics Processing >> Unit" here. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 18) <!-- [rfced] Section 5: This sentence is >> difficult to parse. If >> >>>>>>> neither suggestion below is correct, please clarify the >> relationship >> >>>>>>> between "learn", "investigating", "identify", and "retrieve". >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> Thus, an ALTO client can learn about the ANEs that are important >> to >> >>>>>>> assess the QoE of different <source, destination> pairs by >> >>>>>>> investigating the corresponding Path Vector value (AR1), identify >> >>>>>>> common ANEs if an ANE appears in the Path Vectors of multiple >> >>>>>>> <source, destination> pairs (AR2), and retrieve the properties of >> the >> >>>>>>> ANEs by searching the Unified Property Map (AR3). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggestion #1: >> >>>>>>> Thus, an ALTO client can learn about the ANEs that are important >> for >> >>>>>>> assessing the QoE of different <source, destination> pairs by >> >>>>>>> investigating the corresponding Path Vector value (AR1), >> identifying >> >>>>>>> common ANEs if an ANE appears in the Path Vectors of multiple >> >>>>>>> <source, destination> pairs (AR2), and retrieving the properties >> of >> >>>>>>> the ANEs by searching the entity property map (AR3). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggestion #2: >> >>>>>>> Thus, an ALTO client can learn about the ANEs that are important >> >>>>>>> for assessing the QoE of different <source, destination> pairs by >> >>>>>>> investigating the corresponding Path Vector value (AR1) and can >> >>>>>>> also (1) identify common ANEs if an ANE appears in the Path >> Vectors >> >>>>>>> of multiple <source, destination> pairs (AR2) and (2) retrieve the >> >>>>>>> properties of the ANEs by searching the entity property map >> (AR3). --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We prefer suggestion #2. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 19) <!-- [rfced] Section 5.1.2: Does "their" >> refer to the network >> >>>>>>> components (mentioned in the previous sentence) or to "A >> persistent >> >>>>>>> ANE" (in which case it should be "its")? If the suggested text >> >>>>>>> (assuming that "their" should be "its") is not correct, please >> >>>>>>> clarify. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> A persistent ANE has a persistent ID that is >> >>>>>>> registered in a Property Map, together with their properties. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggested: >> >>>>>>> A persistent ANE has a persistent ID that is >> >>>>>>> registered in a property map, together with its properties. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 20) <!-- [rfced] Section 5.3: We had trouble >> following this sentence. >> >>>>>>> We updated it as follows. If this update is incorrect, please >> >>>>>>> clarify "on demand, and potentially based on". >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> 1. ANEs may be constructed on demand, and potentially based on >> the >> >>>>>>> requested properties (See Section 5.1 for more details). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> 1. ANEs may be constructed on demand and, potentially, based on >> the >> >>>>>>> requested properties (see Section 5.1 for more details). --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 21) <!-- [rfced] Section 6.4.1: This >> sentence did not parse. We changed >> >>>>>>> "this document that the" to "this document in that the". If this >> >>>>>>> change is incorrect, please clarify the text. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The encoding in [NOVA] differs from the >> >>>>>>> Path Vector response defined in this document that the Path Vector >> >>>>>>> part and Property Map part are put in the same JSON object. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> The encoding >> >>>>>>> in [NOVA] differs from the Path Vector response defined in this >> >>>>>>> document in that the Path Vector part and property map part are >> >>>>>>> placed in the same JSON object. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 22) <!-- [rfced] Section 6.4.2: We had >> trouble following the use of "presents" in this sentence. We did not see >> information in Section 5.1.2 on how an ephemeral ANE presents a persistent >> entity ID. We did see text that said the ALTO server provides this >> information. How may we update this sentence? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The persistent entity ID property is the entity identifier of the >> >>>>>>> persistent ANE which an ephemeral ANE presents (See Section 5.1.2 >> for >> >>>>>>> details). --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > The idea is that all ANEs that appear in the path >> vector response are "ephemeral". Some ephemeral ANEs may represent a >> network component (i.e., persistent ANE) whose properties can be queried >> from another entity map service. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We propose the following text: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > This document enables the discovery of a >> persistent ANE by >> >> > > > > by exposing its entity identifier as the >> persistent entity ID >> >> > > > > property of an ephemeral ANE in the path vector >> response. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 23) <!-- [rfced] Section 6.4.3: As it >> appears that "they" in this >> >>>>>>> sentence means "service edges", we updated the text accordingly. >> >>>>>>> Please let us know if this is incorrect. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original ("life cycle ... are" has been corrected): >> >>>>>>> As the life cycle of service edges are >> >>>>>>> typically long, they may contain information that is not specific >> to >> >>>>>>> the query. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> As the life cycles of service edges are >> >>>>>>> typically long, the service edges may contain information that is >> not >> >>>>>>> specific to the query. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 24) <!-- [rfced] Section 6.5.1: We did not >> see any instructions in >> >>>>>>> Section 8.3.4.3 of RFC 7285 ("the client can either choose another >> >>>>>>> server (if one is available) or ..."). Should "instructions" be >> >>>>>>> "guidance"? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> Otherwise, the client MUST >> >>>>>>> discard the response and SHOULD follow the instructions in >> >>>>>>> Section 8.3.4.3 of [RFC7285] to handle the error. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Yes, please use "guidance". >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 25) <!-- [rfced] Section 7.2.6: We only see >> one parameter listed in this >> >>>>>>> paragraph and three parameters in the parameters list. Please >> >>>>>>> clarify "both parameters"; was "permits parameters both with and >> >>>>>>> without double quotes" intended? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> type: The type parameter is mandatory and MUST be >> "application/alto- >> >>>>>>> costmap+json". Note that [RFC2387] permits both parameters with >> >>>>>>> and without the double quotes. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > It is "permits parameters both with and without >> double quotes". >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 26) <!-- [rfced] Sections 7.2.6 and 7.3.6: >> The all-capitals "NOT" is >> >>>>>>> unusual, and could be confusing to some readers, because it is not >> >>>>>>> used as part of a key word per RFC 2119. May we change "NOT" to >> >>>>>>> "not" in these sentences and apply the <strong> element in the XML >> >>>>>>> file, per Section 2.50 of RFC 7991 >> >>>>>>> (https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7991)? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> The "not"s would then be emphasized in the .html and .pdf output >> >>>>>>> files for this document. For an example of how this emphasis >> would >> >>>>>>> look, please see the first two instances of "singleton" in >> >>>>>>> Section 3.4 of <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9198.html> or >> >>>>>>> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9198.pdf>. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original text: >> >>>>>>> If any part is >> >>>>>>> NOT present, the client MUST discard the received information and >> >>>>>>> send another request if necessary. >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> If any part is >> >>>>>>> NOT present, the client MUST discard the received information and >> >>>>>>> send another request if necessary. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggested (in the XML file): >> >>>>>>> If any part is <strong>not</strong> present, the ... --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed changes. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 27) <!-- [rfced] Sections 7.2.6 and 7.3.6: >> These sentences are confusing >> >>>>>>> as written, as RFC 2387 discusses the "object root" and the "root >> >>>>>>> body part" but does not mention "Path Vector" or "vector". May we >> >>>>>>> update as suggested? If not, please clarify the text. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Also, should the other instances of "root object" in this >> document be >> >>>>>>> updated as well? We do not see "root object" used in RFC 2387. >> >>>>>>> If yes, please specify how to update. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> According to [RFC2387], the Path Vector part, whose media type is >> the >> >>>>>>> same as the "type" parameter of the multipart response message, is >> >>>>>>> the root object. >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> According to [RFC2387], the Path Vector part, whose media type is >> the >> >>>>>>> same as the "type" parameter of the multipart response message, is >> >>>>>>> the root object. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggested: >> >>>>>>> The Path Vector part, whose media type is the same as the "type" >> >>>>>>> parameter of the multipart response message, is the root body part >> >>>>>>> as defined in [RFC2387]. >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> The Path Vector part, whose media type is the same as the "type" >> >>>>>>> parameter of the multipart response message, is the root body part >> >>>>>>> as defined in [RFC2387]. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed changes. The other >> "root object" should be replaced with "object root" or "root body part" as >> well. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 28) <!-- [rfced] Sections 7.2.6 and 7.3.6: >> Would you like to add >> >>>>>>> spaces between the square brackets and the quotes for these two >> >>>>>>> items, as was done for other such items (e.g., [ "PID1" ])? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> "PID1": { "PID2": ["ANE1"] } >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> "ipv4:192.0.2.2": { "ipv4:192.0.2.18": ["ANE1"] } >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Perhaps: >> >>>>>>> "PID1": { "PID2": [ "ANE1" ] } >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> "ipv4:192.0.2.2": { "ipv4:192.0.2.18": [ "ANE1" ] } --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Yes. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 29) <!-- [rfced] Section 7.3.3: We see >> "ReqEndpointCostMap" in >> >>>>>>> Section 4.2.2 of RFC 8189 but not "ReqEndpointCost" or >> >>>>>>> "ReqEndpointcostMap". May we update as suggested, to match RFC >> 8189? >> >>>>>>> If not, please provide clarifying text. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Also, please review the capitalization of the following terms and >> let us know if any changes are necessary (e.g., should "cost" in >> "PVReqEndpointcost" be "PVReqEndpointCost"?) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> PVEndpointcostCapabilities >> >>>>>>> PVFilteredCostMapCapabilities >> >>>>>>> PVReqEndpointCost >> >>>>>>> PVReqEndpointcost >> >>>>>>> PVReqFilteredCostMap >> >>>>>>> ReqEndpointCost >> >>>>>>> ReqEndpointcostMap >> >>>>>>> ReqFilteredCostMap >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> This document >> >>>>>>> extends the input parameters to an Endpoint Cost Service, which is >> >>>>>>> defined as a JSON object of type ReqEndpointCost in Section 4.2.2 >> of >> >>>>>>> [RFC8189], with a data format indicated by the media type >> >>>>>>> "application/alto-endpointcostparams+json", which is a JSON >> object of >> >>>>>>> type PVReqEndpointCost: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> object { >> >>>>>>> [EntityPropertyName ane-property-names<0..*>;] >> >>>>>>> } PVReqEndpointcost : ReqEndpointcostMap; >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggested: >> >>>>>>> This document >> >>>>>>> extends the input parameters to an Endpoint Cost Service, which is >> >>>>>>> defined as a JSON object of type ReqEndpointCostMap in Section >> 4.2.2 >> >>>>>>> of [RFC8189], with a data format indicated by the media type >> >>>>>>> "application/alto-endpointcostparams+json", which is a JSON >> object of >> >>>>>>> type PVReqEndpointCost: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> object { >> >>>>>>> [EntityPropertyName ane-property-names<0..*>;] >> >>>>>>> } PVReqEndpointcost : ReqEndpointCostMap; --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the change. For consistency, we >> propose to use the following terms (capitalize "C" in cost): >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > PVEndpointcostCapabilities => >> PVEndpointCostCapabilities >> >> > > > > PVFilteredCostMapCapabilities >> >> > > > > PVReqEndpointCost => PVReqEndpointCostMap >> >> > > > > PVReqEndpointcost => PVReqEndpointCostMap >> >> > > > > PVReqFilteredCostMap >> >> > > > > ReqEndpointCost => ReqEndpointCostMap >> >> > > > > ReqEndpointcostMap => ReqEndpointCostMap >> >> > > > > ReqFilteredCostMap >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 30) <!-- [rfced] Section 7.3.6: Because RFC >> 7285 does not use >> >>>>>>> "multipart/related" or "multipart", we changed "[RFC7285]" to >> >>>>>>> "[RFC2387]" per RFC 2387 and per the (otherwise) same sentence in >> the >> >>>>>>> second paragraph of Section 7.2.6. Please let us know any >> >>>>>>> objections. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The "Content-Type" header of the response MUST be >> "multipart/related" >> >>>>>>> as defined by [RFC7285] with the following parameters: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> The "Content-Type" header field of the response MUST be >> "multipart/related" >> >>>>>>> as defined by [RFC2387], with the following parameters: --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 31) <!-- [rfced] Section 8.1: FYI, to improve >> readability, we have moved the paragraph describing Figure 10 to be in >> front of the figure instead of after it. Please let us know of any >> concerns. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 32) <!-- [rfced] Section 8.1: We could not >> see any indication of message >> >>>>>>> contents in Figure 10. If the suggested text is not correct, >> please >> >>>>>>> clarify the meaning. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> In this document, Figure 10 is used to illustrate the message >> >>>>>>> contents. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggested: >> >>>>>>> Figure 10 illustrates the network properties and thus the message >> >>>>>>> contents. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 33) <!-- [rfced] Section 8.2: This item >> reads oddly. Are some words >> >>>>>>> missing? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> * "multicost-pv": A Multipart Endpoint Cost Service with both >> Multi- >> >>>>>>> Cost and Path Vector. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Possibly: >> >>>>>>> * "multicost-pv": A multipart Endpoint Cost Service with both a >> Multi- >> >>>>>>> Cost resource and a Path Vector resource. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We propose the following text: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > * "multicost-pv": A multipart Endpoint Cost >> Service with both the >> >> > > > > Multi-Cost extension and Path Vector >> extension enabled. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 34) <!-- [rfced] Section 8.2: Section 6.5 >> does not mention "path-vector"; >> >>>>>>> this sentence is the first mention of it. We updated this >> sentence >> >>>>>>> so that the information is clearer. Please let us know any >> >>>>>>> objections. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> To enable the extension defined in this document, the "path- >> >>>>>>> vector" cost type (Section 6.5) is defined in the "cost-types" of >> the >> >>>>>>> "meta" field, and is included in the "cost-type-names" of >> resources >> >>>>>>> "filtered-cost-map-pv" and "endpoint-cost-pv". >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> To enable the extension >> >>>>>>> defined in this document, the Path Vector cost type (Section 6.5), >> >>>>>>> represented by "path-vector" below, is defined in the >> "cost-types" of >> >>>>>>> the "meta" field and is included in the "cost-type-names" of >> >>>>>>> resources "filtered-cost-map-pv" and "endpoint-cost-pv". --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the propose change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 35) <!-- [rfced] Sections 8.3 and 8.4: Would >> it improve readability to update "array of ANEName" to "array of data type >> ANEName"? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The first part returns the array >> >>>>>>> of ANEName for each source and destination pair. >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> The first part returns the array >> >>>>>>> of ANEName for each valid source and destination pair. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed changes. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 36) <!-- [rfced] Section 8.3: We could not >> see a relationship between >> >>>>>>> Section 3.1 of draft-ietf-alto-unified-props-new (now RFC 9240) >> and >> >>>>>>> this sentence (i.e., we did not see any mention of "empty", >> "omit", >> >>>>>>> or "no properties". Please confirm that this sentence will be >> clear >> >>>>>>> to readers. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The second part returns an empty Property Map. Note that the ANE >> >>>>>>> entries are omitted since they have no properties (See Section >> 3.1 of >> >>>>>>> [I-D.ietf-alto-unified-props-new]). --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > The reference should be Section 8.3 of RFC 9240, >> which says: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > If it is absent, the Server returns a property >> >> > > > > value equal to the literal string "{}" for >> all the entity >> >> > > > > identifiers of the "entities" field for which >> at least one >> >> > > > > property is defined. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > and we propose the following changes: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > OLD EXAMPLE: >> >> > > > > { >> >> > > > > "meta": { >> >> > > > > "dependent-vtags": [ >> >> > > > > { >> >> > > > > "resource-id": >> "filtered-cost-map-pv.costmap", >> >> > > > > "tag": "d827f484cb66ce6df6b5077cb8562b0a" >> >> > > > > } >> >> > > > > ] >> >> > > > > }, >> >> > > > > "property-map": { >> >> > > > > } >> >> > > > > } >> >> > > > > NEW EXAMPLE: >> >> > > > > { >> >> > > > > "meta": { >> >> > > > > "dependent-vtags": [ >> >> > > > > { >> >> > > > > "resource-id": >> "filtered-cost-map-pv.costmap", >> >> > > > > "tag": "d827f484cb66ce6df6b5077cb8562b0a" >> >> > > > > } >> >> > > > > ] >> >> > > > > }, >> >> > > > > "property-map": { >> >> > > > > ".ane:L1": {}, >> >> > > > > ".ane:L2": {} >> >> > > > > } >> >> > > > > } >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > NEW TEXT: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > The second part returns the property map. Note >> that the >> >> > > > > properties of the ANE entries is equal to the >> literal >> >> > > > > string "{}" (See Section 8.3 of [RFC9240]). >> --> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 37) <!-- [rfced] Section 8.4: Regarding >> these two paragraphs, Figure 10, >> >>>>>>> and the example shown after the "Both NET1 and NET2" paragraph: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> a) The "[ "NET3", "L1", "NET1" ]" entry in the example does not >> >>>>>>> appear to us to match "traverses NET2, L1 and NET1" in the text. >> >>>>>>> Please confirm that the text and example are correct. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> It should be NET3, L1 and NET1. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> b) We do not see how "ane-props.ane:MEC2" corresponds to NET3; it >> >>>>>>> appears to us to correspond to NET2 and AGGR2 (we see AGGR2 >> listed as >> >>>>>>> an aggregate of NET2 and L2 in the "Under certain scenarios" >> >>>>>>> paragraph). Please confirm that "NET3" is correct. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> It should be NET2. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The response consists of two parts. The first part returns the >> array >> >>>>>>> of ANEName for each valid source and destination pair. As one can >> >>>>>>> see in Figure 10, flow 192.0.2.34 -> 192.0.2.2 traverses NET2, L1 >> and >> >>>>>>> NET1, and flows 192.0.2.34 -> 192.0.2.50 and 2001:db8::3:1 -> >> >>>>>>> 2001:db8::4:1 traverse NET2, L2 and NET3. >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> Both NET1 and NET2 have a mobile edge deployed, i.e., MEC1 in NET1 >> >>>>>>> and MEC2 in NET2. Assume the ANEName for MEC1 and MEC2 are "MEC1" >> >>>>>>> and "MEC2" and their properties can be retrieved from the Property >> >>>>>>> Map "ane-props". Thus, the "persistent-entity-id" property of >> NET1 >> >>>>>>> and NET3 are "ane-props.ane:MEC1" and "ane-props.ane:MEC2" >> >>>>>>> respectively. >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> "endpoint-cost-map": { >> >>>>>>> "ipv4:192.0.2.34": { >> >>>>>>> "ipv4:192.0.2.2": [ "NET3", "L1", "NET1" ], >> >>>>>>> "ipv4:192.0.2.50": [ "NET3", "L2", "NET2" ] >> >>>>>>> }, >> >>>>>>> "ipv6:2001:db8::3:1": { >> >>>>>>> "ipv6:2001:db8::4:1": [ "NET3", "L2", "NET2" ] >> >>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>> ".ane:NET1": { >> >>>>>>> "max-reservable-bandwidth": 50000000000, >> >>>>>>> "persistent-entity-id": "ane-props.ane:MEC1" >> >>>>>>> }, >> >>>>>>> ".ane:NET2": { >> >>>>>>> "max-reservable-bandwidth": 50000000000, >> >>>>>>> "persistent-entity-id": "ane-props.ane:MEC2" --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 38) <!-- [rfced] Section 8.5: These lines >> result in "Warning: Too long >> >>>>>>> line found" xml2rfc output for the .txt file. May we add line >> breaks >> >>>>>>> as suggested? If not, please specify where line breaks should be >> >>>>>>> placed. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> event: application/merge-patch+json, >> ecspvsub1.ecsmap@alto.example.com >> >>>>>>> data: <Merge patch for endpoint-cost-map-update> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> event: application/merge-patch+json, >> ecspvsub1.propmap@alto.example.com >> >>>>>>> data: <Merge patch for property-map-update> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Suggested: >> >>>>>>> event: application/merge-patch+json, >> >>>>>>> ecspvsub1.ecsmap@alto.example.com >> >>>>>>> data: <Merge patch for endpoint-cost-map-update> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> event: application/merge-patch+json, >> >>>>>>> ecspvsub1.propmap@alto.example.com >> >>>>>>> data: <Merge patch for property-map-update> --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed changes. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 39) <!-- [rfced] Section 9.4: Does "calendar >> extension" here mean >> >>>>>>> "ALTO Calendar extension" (Section 5.2.4 of RFC 8896), "Cost >> >>>>>>> Calendar extension", or something else? (It appears to us to >> >>>>>>> mean "Cost Calendar extension", but we need to confirm.) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The >> >>>>>>> Path Vector part is calendared in a compatible way, and the >> Property >> >>>>>>> Map part is not affected by the calendar extension. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Yes, the text is referring to the ALTO Cost >> Calendar extension (RFC 8896). >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 40) <!-- [rfced] Section 10.1: We had >> trouble following this sentence, >> >>>>>>> as we only see "constraints" in RFC 7285 and we see "A Client is >> >>>>>>> therefore allowed to express either "constraints" or >> "or-constraints" >> >>>>>>> but not both" in Section 3.6.2 of RFC 8189. Please let us know if >> >>>>>>> any updates are needed to clarify this text. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> [RFC7285] and [RFC8189] allow ALTO clients to specify the >> >>>>>>> "constraints" and "or-constraints" tests to better filter the >> result. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Possibly: >> >>>>>>> ALTO clients are permitted to specify either the "constraints" >> test >> >>>>>>> [RFC7285] [RFC8189] or the "or-constraints" test [RFC8189] to >> better >> >>>>>>> filter the results. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > 41) <!-- [rfced] Section 10.2: It was >> difficult to determine what "This >> >>>>>>> extension" refers to, given "incremental update extension" four >> lines >> >>>>>>> earlier. Because "This extension" appears to mean "The extension >> >>>>>>> specified in this document" here, we updated accordingly. If >> this is >> >>>>>>> incorrect, please provide clarifying text. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> This extension gives an example of using a multipart message to >> >>>>>>> encode the responses from two specific ALTO information >> resources: a >> >>>>>>> Filtered Cost Map or an Endpoint Cost Service, and a Property Map. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> The extension specified in this document gives an example of >> using a >> >>>>>>> multipart message to encode the responses from two specific ALTO >> >>>>>>> information resources: a filtered cost map or an Endpoint Cost >> >>>>>>> Service, and a property map. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 42) <!-- [rfced] Section 10.2: Does "which >> provides" refer to upgrading >> >>>>>>> to HTTP/2 and HTTP/3, or does it also refer to extending the SSE >> >>>>>>> mechanism (in which case "provides" should be "provide")? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original ("to allow servers proactively send" has been corrected): >> >>>>>>> Thus, it is worth looking into the direction of extending the SSE >> >>>>>>> mechanism as used in the incremental update extension [RFC8895], >> or >> >>>>>>> upgrading to HTTP/2 [RFC9113] and HTTP/3 [RFC9114], which provides >> >>>>>>> the ability to multiplex queries and to allow servers proactively >> >>>>>>> send related information resources. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > It refers to upgrading to HTTP/2 and HTTP/3. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 43) <!-- [rfced] Section 11: In the following >> sentence, should "CDNi" be "CDNI" instead? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Current: >> >>>>>>> Thus, they should only be used when exposing public >> >>>>>>> service access points (e.g., API gateways, CDNi) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Perhaps: >> >>>>>>> Thus, they should only be used when exposing public >> >>>>>>> service access points (e.g., API gateways, CDN Interconnections) >> --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 44) <!-- [rfced] Section 12: FYI, we have >> updated the tables in the IANA Considerations section to better match the >> tables in the IANA registries. Please let us know of any concerns.--> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed changes. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 45) <!-- [rfced] Section 12.3: The >> information in this text and the >> >>>>>>> data in Table 3 seem to point to Section 12.3 ("ALTO Entity Domain >> >>>>>>> Types Registry") of draft-alto-unified-props-new (now RFC 9240) >> and >> >>>>>>> not to Section 12.2 ("alto-propmapparams+json Media Type") of that >> >>>>>>> document. We updated the section number accordingly. Please let >> us >> >>>>>>> know if this is incorrect. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> This document registers a new entry to the ALTO Domain Entity Type >> >>>>>>> Registry, as instructed by Section 12.2 of >> >>>>>>> [I-D.ietf-alto-unified-props-new]. The new entry is as shown >> below >> >>>>>>> in Table 3. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> This document registers a new entry in the "ALTO Entity Domain >> Types" >> >>>>>>> registry, per Section 12.3 of [RFC9240]. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 46) <!-- [rfced] Section 12.3: Is the >> sentence below talking about issue (2) in the Security Considerations >> section? Is a bis already in progress for this document or does another I-D >> that covers the topic exist? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Current: >> >>>>>>> Applications and ALTO >> >>>>>>> service providers using addresses of ANEs will be made aware of >> >>>>>>> how (or if) the addressing scheme relates to private information >> >>>>>>> and network proximity, in further iterations of this document. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Perhaps (reordering and saying "update" rather than "further >> iterations", and also changing "applications" to "implementers"): >> >>>>>>> A future update of this document will explain to ALTO implementers >> >>>>>>> and service providers using ANE addresses how (or if) the >> >>>>>>> addressing scheme relates to private information and network >> >>>>>>> proximity. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Yes, an example is Section 10.9 of RFC 9240, where >> the ANE name is following a schema of "[datacenter-id]-[cluster-id]". >> However, there is no bis or I-D in progress yet. We probably need to >> discuss this with AD and the chairs. We propose the following text: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > If a naming schema is used to generate ANE >> names, either >> >> > > > > used privately or standardized by a future >> extension, how >> >> > > > > (or if) the naming schema relates to private >> information >> >> > > > > and network proximity must be explained to ALTO >> implementers >> >> > > > > and service providers. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 47) <!-- [rfced] Section 12.4: The >> information in this text and the >> >>>>>>> data in Table 4 seem to point to Section 12.4 ("ALTO Entity >> Property >> >>>>>>> Types Registry") of draft-alto-unified-props-new (now RFC 9240) >> and >> >>>>>>> not to Section 12.3 ("ALTO Entity Domain Types Registry") of that >> >>>>>>> document. We updated the section number accordingly. Please let >> us >> >>>>>>> know if this is incorrect. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> Two initial entries "max-reservable-bandwidth" and "persistent- >> >>>>>>> entity-id" are registered to the ALTO Domain "ane" in the "ALTO >> >>>>>>> Entity Property Type Registry", as instructed by Section 12.3 of >> >>>>>>> [I-D.ietf-alto-unified-props-new]. The two new entries are shown >> >>>>>>> below in Table 4 and their details can be found in Section 12.4.1 >> and >> >>>>>>> Section 12.4.2. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> Two initial entries - "max-reservable-bandwidth" and "persistent- >> >>>>>>> entity-id" - are registered for the ALTO domain "ane" in the "ALTO >> >>>>>>> Entity Property Types" registry, per Section 12.4 of [RFC9240]. >> --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 48) <!-- [rfced] Section 12.4.2: This >> sentence was difficult to follow, >> >>>>>>> as it appeared to say that the entity IDs might consider >> something. >> >>>>>>> We updated it per the "Security Considerations:" paragraph in >> >>>>>>> Section 12.3.2 of RFC 9240 (formerly >> >>>>>>> [I-D.ietf-alto-unified-props-new]). If this update is incorrect, >> >>>>>>> please provide clarifying text. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> The entity IDs >> >>>>>>> may consider sensitive information about the underlying network, >> >>>>>>> and an ALTO server should follow the security considerations in >> >>>>>>> Section 11 of [I-D.ietf-alto-unified-props-new]. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Currently: >> >>>>>>> As mentioned >> >>>>>>> in Section 12.3.2 of [RFC9240], the entity IDs may reveal >> >>>>>>> sensitive information about the underlying network. An ALTO >> >>>>>>> server should follow the security considerations provided in >> >>>>>>> Section 11 of [RFC9240]. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > We agree with the proposed change. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 49) <!-- [rfced] Informative References: The >> provided link for [NOVA], >> >>>>>>> which indicates the year 2017, redirects to a page listing the >> same >> >>>>>>> authors, but the listed title is different - "NOVA: Towards >> on-demand >> >>>>>>> equivalent network view abstraction for network optimization" - >> and >> >>>>>>> the listed year is 2019. Also listed via the provided link is >> "2017 >> >>>>>>> IEEE/ACM 25th International Symposium on Quality of Service >> (IWQoS), >> >>>>>>> pp. 1-10, June 2017". >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Note: We have added the DOI for now but will remove or change it >> >>>>>>> as appropriate. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Please review, and let us know which listing is correct. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original: >> >>>>>>> [NOVA] Gao, K., Xiang, Q., Wang, X., Yang, Y.R., and J. Bi, >> "An >> >>>>>>> objective-driven on-demand network abstraction for >> >>>>>>> adaptive applications", IEEE/ACM Transactions on >> >>>>>>> Networking (TON) Vol 27, no. 2 (2019): 805-818., 2019, >> >>>>>>> <https://doi.org/10.1109/IWQoS.2017.7969117>. --> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > The DOI for the reference should be: >> https://doi.org/10.1109/TNET.2019.2899905 >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > The TON version includes an encoding of the >> messages and should be used. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 50) <!-- [rfced] Informative References: The >> provided author list, >> >>>>>>> conference information, and date for [UNICORN] ("Unicorn: Unified >> >>>>>>> resource orchestration for multi-domain, geo-distributed data >> >>>>>>> analytics") did not match what we found on >> >>>>>>> <https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/ >> >>>>>>> S0167739X18302413?via%3Dihub> or via DOI search on >> >>>>>>> 10.1016/j.future.2018.09.048. Because the document title was the >> >>>>>>> same, we updated the information according to the provided page. >> >>>>>>> Please let us know any objections; for example, should a different >> >>>>>>> paper or conference be listed here? If yes, please provide the >> >>>>>>> correct information. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Original (the bad spacing has been corrected): >> >>>>>>> [UNICORN] Xiang, Q., Chen, S., Gao, K., Newman, H., Taylor, I., >> >>>>>>> Zhang, J., and Y.R. Yang, "Unicorn: Unified Resource >> >>>>>>> Orchestration for Multi-Domain, Geo-Distributed Data >> >>>>>>> Analytics", 2017 IEEE SmartWorld, Ubiquitous Intelligence >> >>>>>>> Computing, Advanced Trusted Computed, Scalable Computing >> >>>>>>> Communications, Cloud Big Data Computing, Internet of >> >>>>>>> People and Smart City Innovation >> >>>>>>> (SmartWorld/SCALCOM/UIC/ATC/CBDCom/IOP/SCI) (Aug. 2017), >> >>>>>>> > >
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