Re: [AVT] Video streaming withour RTCP
"Greg Herlein" <gherlein@herlein.com> Mon, 02 April 2007 11:08 UTC
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:07:58 -0700
From: Greg Herlein <gherlein@herlein.com>
To: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [AVT] Video streaming withour RTCP
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If we are going to add some language, I'd like to make sure we make a clear point that RTCP provides the only standard way to get *visibility* into the playback behavior (ie, packet loss rate etc) at the end points. Even if you don't plan to actively *use* that data for stream control, it's very important to have that data for some applications - and RTCP provides the standard way to get it. I have to explain this constantly to folks - more specific language about "Why RTCP?" would be a good thing. Greg On 4/2/07, Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> wrote: > Jaehwan Kim skrev: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > And could you explain more in detail? > > > > I would appreciate if you give us an example. > > > > > > > > If there is a common misconception happening again and again, IMO, the > > notion with enough examples should be into RTSP specification. > > Okay, we will log a request to clarify that RTP-Info only provides for > initial sync and that RTCP is needed for maintaining sync in the case of > clock drift. But there is much more on timestamp handling in > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-14 > than what is in RFC 2326. > > I could also recommend looking at the How To write RTP payload formats > that has some discussion on the RTCP synch mechanism or Colin Perkins > book on RTP. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-howto-01 > > There is also need to have RTCP for synch in cases such as multiple > sources (SSRCs) and live sessions. In addition RTCP is needed for its > transport monitoring purpose. The sender can't do any type of adaptation > or avoid causing long term congestion unless RTCP is used. > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM/M > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 > Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 > S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Audio/Video Transport Working Group > avt@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt > _______________________________________________ Audio/Video Transport Working Group avt@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt
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- RE: [AVT] Video streaming withour RTCP Jaehwan Kim
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