IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [babel] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-04.txt (10/29 - 11/17)

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 08 November 2017 18:57 UTC

Return-Path: <mellon@fugue.com>
X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28880129B01 for <babel@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 10:57:02 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.9
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ARwk6r-uoTaR for <babel@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 10:57:00 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FC70129B14 for <babel@ietf.org>; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 10:56:59 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id c3so8109942itc.3 for <babel@ietf.org>; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 10:56:59 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=s1CazASYimj3XRf60qwnKsJEf0RQ7oQ1ccJA47ioOVg=; b=bN9Xqt+1UVsUHPzHf5ZXc16bLKxPdTgJvYuoMmgDXdkND5S4ALp2GKwacf2s8xA7QW NIdWxZT7GbpJABbKxDLYZioY9UI58ZrgcAjTAmV+jqayKQbz9QsEqauDKiZv2oar9eBj CxiAlggTSEovhMhKZfplDojloDTtV0HVKXhzqYCRq0hd3MlIE8TtXj/CHt1xz30UaJXD p3se1ab3lAO9t0vHOqgeVvh+HsnQkeZG98AU9tls+mFfQ4nuyPYNEbYhaqRP1j7b0dnb kbdnM5Wc5wgQ34ACHB2mf7CO4E9dtrEkaJbdDCWdE9tpEGp6A5c72bpShHN6hnctHPqH BbBg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=s1CazASYimj3XRf60qwnKsJEf0RQ7oQ1ccJA47ioOVg=; b=S6Vaqsa1+mEX7YjymNwLlPHuBIqUs0mS8Jf1zQWy5LvTfyY1EZGrJwh+b+sYv9P5hO Q0jy8GXA0NzSkcKF1CeZ9X8gAcnLSbox0q2S2OouAY/7R3CJ2ISjUK+oemUYrl+YNOcM aApJrNrkdYcHR6uiK2yW7an71HwSO+Ww6aBmH9PioYaoCgXvlKVECCfod9unA7kguMmk TWNeXt5TMjug9Gu+gHdc5WXip8diL01KsXVUeLu9pqzQqrVzrHiHHLGka0VTGUQ5GIhb AcLfCIrAVyOmYvlS19SfzMHC2udWHDLiNgjMzTHjPqR7tYUFYaCU5kQp+x4IWLOwzwsz K6rw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7/zZt91//1490pZef61BaXom8o8AX1ucudv+v8Q15RbnmT9PTF N2t5XcX3biVJFFy/TA5p+Owyadg4LeP3QwQfARFmQg==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+T7KhpmzrpR+mgsxVZtjmDJj56ORSaVZOD1Yf+cBXgN8iyiAwNCl/bQ3YRo+5xK6a9nCmfqcTGHRMaeuZvW/5g=
X-Received: by 10.36.185.21 with SMTP id w21mr2132760ite.35.1510167418390; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 10:56:58 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.79.15.203 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 10:56:57 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.79.15.203 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 10:56:57 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <CAG4d1rdbT5NJjYguN9N1r66V9gxU8bftL5WQiysEjSx5fzJFNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF4+nEHBHnPFnoRXb-4h2uBgQU+mRgW5X9T-CsVg+ZEh_VC98w@mail.gmail.com> <15f6dcf2c8d.e66056b96940.9155266730078596107@ovsienko.info> <871slkb3r3.wl-jch@irif.fr> <15f727f92d8.11e6c3dbd43397.2376860294132856941@ovsienko.info> <87zi87lass.fsf@toke.dk> <15f7353f41b.ffa1d41453323.6020794963079882883@ovsienko.info> <87inevut4p.fsf@toke.dk> <15f786fa6f0.e3f4b0db12167.6625418531640045846@ovsienko.info> <87r2tikl1e.fsf@toke.dk> <15f92044ef7.efa89e885347.7997148307218058093@ovsienko.info> <87y3nhr1gm.fsf@toke.dk> <7ifu9ozskt.wl-jch@irif.fr> <BFCC3F2F-B790-44A0-87A8-ABAB851BCA6C@google.com> <CAG4d1rcsrv0Om4kRs1NAmE+fWCTMe_ykGarRgZjj2s29v63O_Q@mail.gmail.com> <33EF97A7-BB1B-4B47-83D0-F7F57CC0B0BC@fugue.com> <CAG4d1rdbT5NJjYguN9N1r66V9gxU8bftL5WQiysEjSx5fzJFNA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 13:56:57 -0500
Message-ID: <CAPt1N1=SizcEq0AqNX3d0DhjV1v52J0-TZSAQCHMK=GEO1H-Uw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: james woodyatt <jhw@google.com>, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk>, Denis Ovsienko <denis@ovsienko.info>, Babel at IETF <babel@ietf.org>, Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045d9c20865ca2055d7d407c"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/babel/p5nUH3NcsuAwodCSe014OWJ92_I>
Subject: Re: [babel] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-04.txt (10/29 - 11/17)
X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." <babel.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/babel>, <mailto:babel-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/babel/>
List-Post: <mailto:babel@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:babel-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel>, <mailto:babel-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 18:57:02 -0000

I didn't say it wasn't feasible. I said it's not in this document. :)

On Nov 8, 2017 20:47, "Alia Atlas" <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I strongly agree.  At least a mandatory-to-implement hop-to-hop security
>> mechanism and what attacks it protects against is critical.
>>
>>
>> A security model that protects against _anything_ requires it to actually
>> be secure.   The current draft has no such mechanism.   So if you want to
>> make something MTI, we can't do it with the current draft, or we'd be
>> requiring people to implement mickey-mouse security.
>>
>
> Requiring a transport security isn't feasible?
>
> A new routing protocol without solid security is not going to progress
> successfully.
>
>

v2.46.0 | Report a Bug | By Email | System Status