[BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone
Pyda Srisuresh <srisuresh@yahoo.com> Sun, 08 July 2007 00:31 UTC
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From: Pyda Srisuresh <srisuresh@yahoo.com>
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Subject: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone
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Dear all, I believe, it is WRONG to drop this milestone from the WG. There is no technical justification that I can see. Application behave milestone, along with NAT behave milestones(TCP, UDP etc) forms key foundation to the formation of this WG. Doing NAT milestones and not the application milestone makes the WG work incomplete, IMHO. If you care about applications traversing NATs, here is my appeal to you - Please voice your opinion on this list if you think it WRONG to drop application behave milestone from the WG charter. I reviewed the audio from the last WG meeting and read the minutes - I believe, the discussion was off-track from the get-go and did not have a counter balance to the "Why do we want to say how to design ICE when ICE already exists" line of argument. The milestone or the draft(ford-behave-app) is not about how to design ICE; The milestone and the draft is about how to design applications (in general) to work with nodes behind NATs; ICE is one example of a protocol that successfully adapted the recommendationds for a class of applications. ICE does not obviate the milestone or the draft; but rather reinforces them, IMHO. The behave milestone has been around for more than 2 years; so has the ford-behave-appl draft been. The milestone and the draft have been created independently of ICE. Embracing of ICE should be a testament to the goodness of the recommendations in the draft, not grounds for removing the draft or the milestone. Now, I do recognize, one BIG problem has been that none of the authors of ford-behave-app draft had been available to present the draft in any of the IETF meetings. This certainly had hurt the draft in the last IETF meeting. Both Dan and I made attempts in the past to bring in a new co-author. But, no avail. I am open to anyone who would be interested in co-authoring and presenting the draft in IETF meetings. Lastly, I want to enphasise, this is about dropping the milestone first; Dropping the ford-behave-app draft is only next. I was told ford-behave-app draft can indepednently move forward as an individual submission. When the draft is deemed useful to move forward, I dont understand why the milestone had to be removed. Well, I said my 2c. Thank you for your time. regards, suresh --- Dan Wing <dwing@cisco.com> wrote: > At the BEHAVE meeting in Prague there was strong consensus to remove the > milestone: > "Submit informational that discusses current NAT > traversal techniques used by applications" > from our charter, and to not adopt draft-ford-behave-app to meet that > milestone. > > If the mailing list doesn't have a substantial disagreement with the > consensus from the Prague meeting, I will remove that milestone from our > charter. > > > > Also during the meeting there were some ideas around adding a new milestone > for a document which might discuss when an application might choose UNSAF > (STUN), Bonjour/UPnP, or other NAT traversal techniques. If a candidate > document emerges we can consider creating such a milestone. > > -d > > _______________________________________________ Behave mailing list Behave@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/behave
- [BEHAVE] removing application milestone Dan Wing
- [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone Pyda Srisuresh
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone Henry Sinnreich
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone David Barrett
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone Dan Wing
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone David Barrett
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone Dan Wing
- Re: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone Rémi Denis-Courmont
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone David Barrett
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone David Barrett
- Re: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone Rémi Denis-Courmont
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone David Barrett
- Re: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone Rémi Denis-Courmont
- RE: [BEHAVE] Re: removing application milestone David Barrett