Re: [bess] Closing on Stephane's open issue with draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway

Stephane,

Two points ..

1. It is not clear to me that draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway recommends
to use RTC for anything - do they ? If not there is no issue.

2. Also note that RTC can be enabled on a per AF basis hence even if you
use it say for SAFI 128 you do not need to use it for SAFI 1.

As a general comment I do not see any issues using RTs on non VPN SAFIs.

Thx,,
R.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:26 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
> My point is really tied to what will happen when RTC is enabled
> (considering
> draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt). The behavior will be to drop the routes that
> don't have an RT which will break existing Internet families behavior.
> " When RTC is applied, on a particular BGP session, to routes of other
>    address families, the default behavior MUST be that routes without
>    any RTs are not distributed on that session.  This default "default
>    behavior" applies to all AFI/SAFIs for which a different default
>    behavior has not been defined."
>
> Let me run this to IDR to get their feedback (as draft-ietf-idr-rtc-no-rt
> is
> owned by IDR).
>
> Stephane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Sent: jeudi 4 juin 2020 19:31
> To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org;
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org
> Subject: Closing on Stephane's open issue with
> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway
>
> Hi,
>
> John and I had a chat today about what we perceive is Stephane's open
> issue.
>
> What we think the concern is is that we are using RTs in conjunction with
> normal (i.e., non-VPN) routes. We do this to allow gateways to filter their
> imports based on the RT that applies to the SR domain that it serves.
>
> An option was to use the Route Origin extended community instead.
>
> RFC 4360, which introduces both the Route Target and the Route Origin
> extended communities and gives some guidance. Loosely expressed, the RT
> says
> which routers should import, the RO says which routers have advertised. In
> both cases, the text suggests that "One possible use of the community is
> specified in RFC4364" which implies that there are other acceptable uses.
>
> 4364 implies that the RO is used "to uniquely identify the set of routes
> learned from a particular site." That is (my words), to apply a filter on
> top of the RT to prevent re-import by a site of routes that match the RT
> and
> that were advertised by other entry points to the site. Indeed, the RO
> would
> seem to be used (in the 4364 case) only when the RT is also in use.
>
> We appreciate that the distinction is pretty delicate, but we think we are
> right to use RT in this case because we are filtering to import, not to
> avoid importing. Furthermore, if we used the RO then, to be consistent with
> 4364, we would still be using the RT anyway.
>
> That, we think, disposes of the "RT or RO?" question.
>
> Now, we can go back to the original formulation of the question: is it OK
> to
> use RT with "non-VPN IP addresses"? Well, we consulted around a bit
> privately amongst some BGP experts, and we couldn't find anyone to say it
> was actually a problem. And (of course) no one raised the issue in WG last
> call - but Matthew might claim that is because the document was only
> lightly
> reviewed, and Stephane might claim that this is because he had already
> raised the point. Obviously, some of the authors know a bit about BGP, and
> Eric was a lead author on 4364 and drove a lot of the details of what we
> wrote.
>
> Two points in closing:
> - If someone can show that we break something, we will have to fix it.
> - If the chairs want to run this point past IDR and BESS explicitly, that
> would be fine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best,
> Adrian
>
>
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