Re: [bess] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-12: (with COMMENT)

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To: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [bess] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-12: (with COMMENT)
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Ben,

Thanks for your thorough review and discussion.

Yours Irrespectively,

John


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> The -12 does address the discuss point that I raised, thank you!
> 
> In re-reading the draft so as to clear my discuss position, one thing that occurred
> to me is that a reader might wonder what mechanisms are in place to prevent an
> attacker outside of a site from spoofing an auto-discovery route with a given
> site's site identifier.  (The security considerations already dutifully considers the
> case of a node in the site that is not a gateway being able to falsify an auto-
> discovery
> route.)  As far as I can tell this is not an issue because nodes in the site will not
> accept auto-discovery routes that initiate from outside the site, based on
> configured knowledge of whether a given BGP peering is internal or external.
> The document already makes some allusions to this by specifying that the actual
> tunnel encapsulation with the union of all GWs' data is only included in "every
> route advertised externally to that site", implying that the auto-discovery routes
> are on the non-external (i.e., internal) advertisements.  It might (or might not) be
> worth being more explicit about auto-discovery only occuring internally within a
> site, to clarify this mechanism of action.
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> NITS
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> Section 1
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>    Data centers (DCs) are critical components of the infrastructure used
>    by network operators to provide services to their customers.  DCs
>    (sites) are interconnected by a backbone network, which consists of
>    any number of private networks and/or the Internet, by gateway
>    routers (GWs).  [...]
> 
> This currently looks like "interconnected by <X> (...), by <Y>" which doesn't seem
> right.  Maybe end the sentence after "and/or the Internet"
> and finish with "Each DC is connected to the backbone by one or more gateway
> routers (GWs)"?
> 
>    The solution described in this document is agnostic as to whether the
>    transit ASes do or do not have SR capabilities.  the solution uses SR
>    to stitch together path segments between GWs and through the ASBRs.
> 
> Start the sentence with a majuscule 'T'.
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>    technique will experience scaling issues.  This all means that the
>    Add-Paths approach is limited to sites connected over a single AS.
> 
> I'd consider "effectively limited"; we know that some groups/individuals have a
> high capacity for hitting themselves in the way that recursive Add-Path would
> entail.
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