Re: [Bier] Renaming draft-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions to draft-bier-lsr-non-mpls-extensions?

Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> Wed, 02 March 2022 19:58 UTC

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From: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 20:58:02 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Bier] Renaming draft-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions to draft-bier-lsr-non-mpls-extensions?
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Jeffrey, thanks for taking up the pen

-- tony

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 8:18 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
wrote:

> Hi,
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> After offline communication, we learned that current editors can no longer
> focus on this work, so I took over the pen and submitted
> draft-ietf-bier-lsr-bier-non-mpls-extensions-00.
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> I will present the changes in the coming IETF113 and hopefully we can move
> to WGLC.
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> Thanks!
>
> Jeffrey
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> Juniper Business Use Only
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> *From:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:12 AM
> *To:* Xiejingrong (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.com>; Tony Przygienda <
> tonysietf@gmail.com>; draft-ietf-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions <
> draft-ietf-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions@ietf.org>; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>;
> senthil.dhanaraj.ietf@gmail.com; yangang@huawei.com
> *Subject:* Renaming draft-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions to
> draft-bier-lsr-non-mpls-extensions?
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> Hi Jingrong, Gang, Senthil,
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> Thanks for refreshing it. Now that most our Chinese friends are back after
> the spring festival holidays, I want to bring back this discussion from
> more than two years ago and move forward.
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> Here is the history:
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>    1. The draft was initially draft-dhanaraj-bier-isis-non-mpls-extensions,
>    but it explicitly states that non-ethernet encap is outside the scope
>    2. As a result, I suggested to replace “non-mpls” with ethernet – it
>    became draft-dhanaraj-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions in Jan 2019
>    3. In April 2019 I raised the question among the co-authors if we
>    should remove the “ethernet-only” restriction and go back to “non-mpls”
>    4. There were on-and-off discussions among co-authors and the latest
>    email that I can found was on 11/30/2020, arguing **for** changing
>    back to non-mpls
>    5. After that the draft has been stalled. There were a few nudges
>    offline to the editors but nothing happened other than refreshing
>
>
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> I think we should rename it and move forward now – after two years. The
> co-authors were on those old discussions so should all have the context –
> can the editors respond here if we should rename?
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> If you have concerns about going back to non-mpls, please discuss it here.
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> Thanks.
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> Jeffrey
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> Juniper Business Use Only
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> *From:* Xiejingrong (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 31, 2022 12:35 AM
> *To:* Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>;
> draft-ietf-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions <
> draft-ietf-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions@ietf.org>; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* RE: Last call to authors of draft-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions
> for update of draft ...
>
>
>
> *[External Email. Be cautious of content]*
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> Hi,
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> I have just re-published the draft.
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> The submission needs xml v3 format and the previous version of the draft
> is old, so a text file has to be used as the base. Hope the authors could
> update it soon after the spring festival to use xml to reflect the latest
> references.
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> thx.
>
> jingrong.
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> *From:*Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
>
> *To:*draft-ietf-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions <
> draft-ietf-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions@ietf.org>;BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
>
> *Date:*2022-01-20 05:03:24
>
> *Subject:*Last call to authors of draft-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions for
> update of draft ...
>
>
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> Authors of the above draft, we need IANA assignments and registries
> contained in draft-bier-lsr-ethernet-extensions to progress further WG
> drafts here. The authors have been given couple of heads up behind the
> scenes to re-publish the according draft given it expired 6 months ago.
>
>
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> As WG chair I would request with this email for an update/re-publish so I
> can call the IANA assignments. If we don't see a re-publish within the next
> 2 weeks we will consider to call/assign an editor to the draft to keep it
> alive.
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> thanks
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> -- tony
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