Re: [Bier] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> Mon, 23 October 2017 18:23 UTC

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From: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:23:06 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Bier] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Mirja, in fact, a good observation. My take would be

1) Reference to 3032 is good. Limited to IP frames in BIER frames obviously
2) For non-IP frames BIER faces the same challenges as MPLS or SPRING or
any other technology where the L2(.5) encaps is non-neglectible. Not better
or worse for that manner. Issue started with PPoE ;-)  and if one doesn't
do MTU discovery and adjusts accordingly, not much beside OAM unreachables
can be done for things like L2 frames.
3) Generally,
https://tools.ietf.org/wg/bier/draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery/ is
available and allows efficient multicast MTU discovery. I don't think a
reference is needed in this draft since it's not really encapsulation
related.
4) Morever, extensive PING document is available for out-of-band or in-band
continuity check in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-ping-02 .
Again, I don't think it needs referencing in this document

As to BSL bits, more bits are always nice and we may have future versions
of BIER encaps to go ...

--- tony

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Mirja Kühlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>
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> My understanding is that this document specifies a new encapsulation. As
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> it should also discuss path MTU discovery and fragmentation. Maybe a
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> section 3 of rfc3032 is sufficient.
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> Nit:
> Given that the BSL can only ever have 7 values, I'm wondering why 4
> instead of
> 3 bits are used, but that's not important...
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