Re: [bmwg] [Last-Call] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest-07

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Tue, 25 May 2021 18:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [bmwg] [Last-Call] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest-07
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[ - TSV-ART, Last-Call for clutter ]

Thanks Sarah.

Sudhin/Kishore, please let me know LOUDLY once you've had a chance to
address the comments and I'll move it along.
W

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 12:24 PM Sarah Banks <sbanks@encrypted.net> wrote:

> Hi Jana,
>    Thank you for your review. The authors are reviewing the feedback, and
> plan to update the document shortly. Your catch is a good one - I hadn't
> noticed this the first time through, and I agree with your feedback. It
> might be also worthwhile simply documenting the CPU usage; conversely,
> establishing a recorded baseline before the test starts, and then noting
> the CPU usage might help the tester draw conclusions around "spikes", but
> with either approach, the data is captured and documented. Sudhin, this is
> something for you to consider as you work through the document feedback.
>
> Thank you,
> Sarah
>
> > On May 24, 2021, at 10:38 AM, Jana Iyengar via Datatracker <
> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> > Reviewer: Jana Iyengar
> > Review result: Ready with Issues
> >
> > This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review
> team's
> > ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written
> > primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the
> document's
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> >
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> >
> > The document seems fine overall. There are some minor grammar and
> consistency
> > things, but I expect that the RFC-editors will handle those.
> >
> > The one thing that stuck out to me is the following: It helps in
> documents such
> > as this to be more precise about exactly what a measurement tool or
> tester
> > should consider success or failure. One piece of text where this
> precision
> > should be improved is in the Soak Test (both 3.12 and 4.11):
> >  "The CPU spike is determined as the CPU usage which shoots at 40 to 50
> >  percent of the average usage.
> >    The average value vary from device to device.  Memory leak is
> determined
> >   by increase usage of the memory for EVPN process.  The expectation is
> >   under steady state the memory usage for EVPN process should not
> >   increase."
> > Perhaps something like the following for defining CPU spikes might be
> helpful:
> > "A CPU spike is defined as a sudden increase and subsequent decrease in
> usage
> > from average usage to about 150% of average usage." Similarly, memory
> leak is
> > very weakly defined. Do you mean _any increase_ in memory usage, or is
> there a
> > threshold that you want to propose? Do you mean consistent increase over
> time?
> > Can you define a leak more precisely in the context of your test?
> >
> >
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