RE: [bmwg] useful testing (was: Opinions on Benchmarking the BFDprotocol)
"Poretsky, Scott" <sporetsky@reefpoint.com> Tue, 20 March 2007 03:31 UTC
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Curtis, You will be happy to hear I changed my new email configuration. Hi BMWG-ers, Sorry I cannot join you this week in Prague. I will be in Chicago. The BFD topic is certainly of interest. There are 3 existing official BMWG work items that could be directly related. These are 1.IGP Convergence Data Plane Benchmarking (status=completed WGLC and Cross-Area Review) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bmwg-igp-dataplane-conv-m eth-12.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bmwg-igp-dataplane-conv-t erm-12.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bmwg-igp-dataplane-conv-a pp-12.txt Test cases for many Convergence Events are provided in the methodology. Is it worth adding a test case for BFD? 2.Accelerated Stress Benchmarking (status=had a first WGLC with lots of feedback) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bmwg-acc-bench-term-11.tx t http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bmwg-acc-bench-meth-07.tx t The working group decided to breakout Layer 3 technology specific methodologies into separate documents and work those after the Terminology and General Methodology Guidelines are completed. These were written for EBGP and Operational Security (consistent with OpSec WG work) and the intention of the work item is to be modular for support of more methodologies. The now expired methodology documents are draft-ietf-bmwg-acc-bench-meth-ebgp-00.txt and draft-ietf-bmwg-acc-bench-meth-opsec-00.txt. Work will continue on those after the Terminology and Methodology Guidelines docs are complete. BFD could certainly be addressed in this work item. 3.Sub-IP Protection Mechanisms (status=approaching request for a WGLC) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bmwg-protection-term-01.t xt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bmwg-protection-meth-01.t xt This work item covers all protection mechanisms that operate below Layer 3 while benchmarking the Layer 3 performance of those mechanisms. It is intended that this work item have a single terminology with multiple methodologies. The MPLS FRR methodology is the first. BFD could certainly be addressed in this work item. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Villamizar [mailto:curtis@occnc.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: Al Morton Cc: Dave Katz; David Ward; bmwg@ietf.org; Jeffrey Haas Subject: Re: [bmwg] useful testing (was: Opinions on Benchmarking the BFDprotocol) In message <200703161744.l2GHiJ6D003322@attrh8i.attrh.att.com> Al Morton writes: > > At 01:14 PM 3/16/2007, Curtis Villamizar wrote: > >...To be truly useful, testing has to enable all protocols that are > >intended to be used and stress a set of protocols and other inputs > >(ie: framing errors, intermittent interfaces, SNMP/NMS load, etc). > >If BFD performance were to degrade under such stress, then overall > >network instability might result. > > > >That doesn't mean that individual protocols can't be benchmarked in > >isolation. Its just that such tests don't indicate scalability and > >may give an overstated measure of performance capabilities. > > > >We are a bit off topic, but maybe BMWG should look at a modular > >approach to stress testing in which the stress test component that > >goes with the addition of any particular protocol was covered in a > >separate RFC for that protocol. > > Or, should we look at ways to make our Accelerated Stress Benchmarking > drafts more modular, and then consider the BFD topic as a possible module? Thats what I had in mind. > In any case, more folks should read the Accelerated Stress > Benchmarking drafts, they are overdue milestone-wise. draft-ietf-bmwg-acc-bench-term-11.txt draft-ietf-bmwg-acc-bench-meth-07.txt For those that lost track of the revision number. Perhaps I should start another thread and give comments so I'll be brief. The acc-bench-meth might be trying to cover too much. It might be worth cutting it back to a framework and then taking the configuration sets and instability conditions for each protocol and producing a separate document for each. This would let the base documents move forward and the WG can focus on each protocol individually. That BFD was missed entirely is an argument for this separation. The BGP experts can review BGP, the multicast experts can review multicast. Etc. We might accomplish more and get a better result with a divide and conquer strategy. > Al > bmwg co-chair who couldn't resist making a connection in an effort to > keep the existing work moving! Curtis ps - hopefully Scott P won't send a reply with base64 encoded html. :-) _______________________________________________ bmwg mailing list bmwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bmwg _______________________________________________ bmwg mailing list bmwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bmwg
- Re: [bmwg] useful testing (was: Opinions on Bench… Curtis Villamizar
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