Re: [Cacao] [EXT] Re: Recap from WebEx

Hi Bret,

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On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:28 PM Bret Jordan <Bret_Jordan@symantec.com>
wrote:

> That was my understanding as well Jason, and why I am trying to move
> towards a work group forming BOF.  I have asked the ADs for clarification.
> But I think it is clear that we have enough interest in this work to move
> towards a WG.
>
> Is there anyone on this list that thinks we should not push for a WG or
> would object to it?  Yes, I know we do not vote here, but it would be good
> to have basic numerical consensus.
>
> Bret
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64
>
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> On Oct 24, 2018, at 4:00 PM, Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but not being in a WG (and thus not working
> under the Notewell) means that contributors are not covered under any IPR
> regieme.
>
> As such it will probably significantly limit contributions.
>
> I would think / hope that we would want to proceed to WG as soon as
> possible, so that contributors can be assured their contributions are being
> properly protected.
>
> -
> Jason Keirstead
> Lead Architect - IBM.Security
> www.ibm.com/security
>
> "Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who
> hustle." - Unknown
>
>
>
>
> From:        Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
> To:        Bret Jordan <jordan.ietf@gmail.com>
> Cc:        cacao@ietf.org
> Date:        10/24/2018 05:28 PM
> Subject:        Re: [Cacao] Recap from WebEx
> Sent by:        "Cacao" <cacao-bounces@ietf.org>
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>
>
> I think the only glitch will be whether or not you are working under the
> IETF notewell.  That will matter to any IETF contributor.  You are welcome
> to do work in this way and then submit later as well developed proposals do
> come in as starting points, but you just need to make the operational model
> clear and the participation may vary as a result..  ADs can clarify as
> needed.
>
> Best,
> Kathleen
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 4:19 PM Bret Jordan <*jordan.ietf@gmail.com*
> <jordan.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Kathleen,
>
>
> Thank you Kathleen, as always, your insights are most welcome.
>
> Did I understand your statements below correctly?  We can start working
> right now on delivering more content and design work?  AKA, we do not need
> to wait for a Working Group to be formed?
>
> If so, then I would like to propose that we restart our weekly phone
> calls. Historically, we have had a weekly working call to discuss designs
> and work through content.  I think this would be good to continue.  We have
> also setup a Slack group where we can collaborate in more real-time.
>
> Let me know if you want to be invited to the weekly calls and be invited
> to the slack group.
>
> Thanks,
> Bret
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> can not be unscrambled is an egg."
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
> *kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com* <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Bret,
>
> Sorry I couldn't make the call due to an existing conflict, glad to hear
> it went well.  I'll try to assist inline with some answers.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:01 PM Bret Jordan <*jordan.ietf@gmail.com*
> <jordan.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
> All,
>
> We had around 30 people join our Introduction to CACAO WebEx today. Allan
> and I presented on:
>
>    1. What is CACAO
>    2. Why do we need CACAO
>    3. What are the goals of the CACAO work
>    4. What are the core requirements
>    5. We walked through a collaboration example and how digital
>    signatures could work for this
>    6. We talked through the architecture that we have already identified
>    7. We then talked about next steps
>
>
> If you missed the call today, please see the slides that we sent to the
> list right after the call.  If you found this WebEx helpful and would like
> us to do it again or do things like this going forward, please let us know.
>
> *Upcoming Events:*
> Keep in mind that we will be hosting a meet up at IETF 103 in Bangkok on
> Tuesday November 6th at 5:00 PM (17:00) local time in the Pagoda room on
> the 4th floor.
>
> *Upcoming Work:*
> We also need to understand how we can move this work forward more quickly
> and is the IETF the right place.  If the IETF community does not want us
> doing this work here, then we will need to take it to another SDO. Our goal
> is to move quickly and get a solution operationalized rapidly. I have been
> doing a lot of socializing with enterprise operators, industry sectors, and
> governments, and everyone so far is very interested in this work. So lets
> make this a reality to improve operational cyber defense.
>
> *Open Questions:*
> Some open questions for those that are more well versed in IETF process:
>
>    - How and when can we start actual design and code development work?
>
> Now.  A BoF is always more successful if there are drafts and code
> supporting the work.  DOTS, for instance, was a slam dunk as they came with
> a protocol spec and 5 vendors who were interested to develop this further
> together and deploy the protocol.
>
>    - Would this community be open to a work group forming BOF for Prague?
>    If so, what does this mean, what do we need to do to make that happen?
>
> It's possible.  I personally think the up front leg work and traction go a
> long way.  Having use cases, gap analysis, and other foundation documents
> near complete is a big win as not to burn WG cycles on that work.  Having
> technical specification as a starting point and interested parties  is also
> very helpful.  If there's enough there, it's even possible to skip a BoF
> and go right to a WG.  Work and interest being apparent are critical in
> decisions by most ADs.  Current ADs will decide and guide, of course.
>
> Best,
> Kathleen
>
>
> *Prior Work References:*
> As we work through the requirements and the architecture, if you know of
> some existing work that can either help or influence this work or if you
> know of parts that we can use completely, please let us know the document
> and section where it is located and how and why you think it will solve the
> problems we need.  This will help us immensely and enable us to be very
> efficient.
>
> Finally, thanks to everyone that attended the call. It is great to see so
> much interest from this community.  If you have any comments or suggestions
> either about this work or the WebEx we hosted, please let us know.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bret
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