Re: [ietf-calsify] draft-norris-ical-venue-01

[Mark Cockfield <[e-mail]>]

So does that mean "draft-resnick-vcarddav-vcardrev-01" is the emerging
standard, or current line of reasoning?

This raises a much broader question. How does one who is very new to the
domain of calendaring quickly wrap their mind around it? Does the standards
page on calconnect.org represent the current state of evolution? Where would
one find out that "draft-norris-ical-venue-01" "predates the VCARD effort"?

Forgive me if this post seems a bit rantish...I'm feeling a tad overwhelmed.

Regards,

Mark

On 12/15/08 4:03 AM, "Eliot Lear" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I think this work predates the VCARD effort.
> 
> On 12/14/08 11:52 AM, Petr Tomasek wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:28:37PM -0500, Mark Cockfield wrote:
>>    
>>> Section 5.1 states the UID component [sic] is identical to RFC 2445; however
>>> the examples show a VENUE-ID property. Should it be UID or VENUE-ID?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>>      
>> 
>> BTW, why to define a new component and not just adopt the vCard standard?
>> 
>> P.T.
>> 
>>    
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So does that mean "draft-resnick-vcarddav-vcardrev-01" is the emerging
standard, or current line of reasoning?

This raises a much broader question. How does one who is very new to the
domain of calendaring quickly wrap their mind around it? Does the standards
page on calconnect.org represent the current state of evolution? Where would
one find out that "draft-norris-ical-venue-01" "predates the VCARD effort"?

Forgive me if this post seems a bit rantish...I'm feeling a tad overwhelmed.

Regards,

Mark

On 12/15/08 4:03 AM, "Eliot Lear" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I think this work predates the VCARD effort.
> 
> On 12/14/08 11:52 AM, Petr Tomasek wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:28:37PM -0500, Mark Cockfield wrote:
>>    
>>> Section 5.1 states the UID component [sic] is identical to RFC 2445; however
>>> the examples show a VENUE-ID property. Should it be UID or VENUE-ID?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>>      
>> 
>> BTW, why to define a new component and not just adopt the vCard standard?
>> 
>> P.T.
>> 
>>    
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I think this work predates the VCARD effort.

On 12/14/08 11:52 AM, Petr Tomasek wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:28:37PM -0500, Mark Cockfield wrote:
>    
>> Section 5.1 states the UID component [sic] is identical to RFC 2445; however
>> the examples show a VENUE-ID property. Should it be UID or VENUE-ID?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mark
>>      
>
> BTW, why to define a new component and not just adopt the vCard standard?
>
> P.T.
>
>    



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Hi Petr,

--On December 14, 2008 11:52:46 AM +0100 Petr Tomasek <[e-mail]> 
wrote:

>> Section 5.1 states the UID component [sic] is identical to RFC 2445;
>> however the examples show a VENUE-ID property. Should it be UID or
>> VENUE-ID?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mark
>
> BTW, why to define a new component and not just adopt the vCard standard?

Actually the VVENUE draft is pretty old and current thinking in CalConnect 
is to actually do what you suggest and opt for VCARD. This makes more sense 
now that the vCard v4.0 effort is underway and they have defined a new KIND 
property that makes it easier to identify a card as being for a venue, or 
something other than a person.

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On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:28:37PM -0500, Mark Cockfield wrote:
> Section 5.1 states the UID component [sic] is identical to RFC 2445; however
> the examples show a VENUE-ID property. Should it be UID or VENUE-ID?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark

BTW, why to define a new component and not just adopt the vCard standard?

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Section 5.1 states the UID component [sic] is identical to RFC 2445; however
the examples show a VENUE-ID property. Should it be UID or VENUE-ID?

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Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just realized that currently, the rfc2445bis (and already rfc2445) forbids 
> any double quotes in the cn parameter value:
>
>       cnparam    = "CN" "=" param-value
>       param-value   = paramtext / quoted-string
>       paramtext     = *SAFE-CHAR
>       quoted-string = DQUOTE *QSAFE-CHAR DQUOTE
>       QSAFE-CHAR    = WSP / %x21 / %x23-7E / NON-US-ASCII
>       ; Any character except CONTROL and DQUOTE
>       SAFE-CHAR     = WSP / %x21 / %x23-2B / %x2D-39 / %x3C-7E
>                     / NON-US-ASCII
>       ; Any character except CONTROL, DQUOTE, ";", ":", ","
>
> So, if I read this correctly, the common name to be displayed must not contain 
> any double quotes, not even if they are escaped. 
>
> My problem with this is that some entities use double quotes as part of their 
> official name. For example, our choir has the official Name 
>      Chorvereinigung "Jung-Wien"
> which is officially registered as the association's formal name and is also 
> registered and protected as a trademark. RFC2445 now forbids us to use that as 
> the CN of the Organizer when sending out invitations.... (which is kind of 
> embarassing, because we are very picky when a concert organizer writes our 
> name without the quotes)
>
> Am I interpreting things correctly?
>   
Yes.

This was previously discussed at IETF 65, but never tracked as an issue 
nor addressed.

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/06mar/slides/calsify-1/sld9.htm

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/calsify/minutes?item=minutes65.html

(03:28:35) rlbob: bd: not possible to handle double-quotes in param 
value, eg RL "Bob"
(03:29:18) rlbob: bd: could propose backslash-escaping, could be compat 
problem
(03:29:39) rlbob: cn: IMAP made this change going from -2 to -4 ...

As a workaround, you could use other DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK supported by 
Unicode, see:

http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2000.pdf

Cheers,
Bernard
> Cheers,
> Reinhold
>   



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Hi all,
I just realized that currently, the rfc2445bis (and already rfc2445) forbids 
any double quotes in the cn parameter value:

      cnparam    = "CN" "=" param-value
      param-value   = paramtext / quoted-string
      paramtext     = *SAFE-CHAR
      quoted-string = DQUOTE *QSAFE-CHAR DQUOTE
      QSAFE-CHAR    = WSP / %x21 / %x23-7E / NON-US-ASCII
      ; Any character except CONTROL and DQUOTE
      SAFE-CHAR     = WSP / %x21 / %x23-2B / %x2D-39 / %x3C-7E
                    / NON-US-ASCII
      ; Any character except CONTROL, DQUOTE, ";", ":", ","

So, if I read this correctly, the common name to be displayed must not contain 
any double quotes, not even if they are escaped. 

My problem with this is that some entities use double quotes as part of their 
official name. For example, our choir has the official Name 
     Chorvereinigung "Jung-Wien"
which is officially registered as the association's formal name and is also 
registered and protected as a trademark. RFC2445 now forbids us to use that as 
the CN of the Organizer when sending out invitations.... (which is kind of 
embarassing, because we are very picky when a concert organizer writes our 
name without the quotes)

Am I interpreting things correctly?

Cheers,
Reinhold
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 * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer maintainer
 * Chorvereinigung "Jung-Wien", http://www.jung-wien.at/