[Ietf-calsify] Fwd: WG Review: Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification (calsify)
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FYI Begin forwarded message: > From: IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary-reply@ietf.org> > Date: June 29, 2005 11:42:13 AM PDT > To: ietf-calsify-owner@osafoundation.org > Cc: Subject: WG Review: Calendaring and Scheduling Standards > Simplification (calsify) > > A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. > The IESG > has not made any determination as yet. The following draft charter was > submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please > send your > comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by July 6th. > > +++ > > Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification (calsify) > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Current Status: Proposed Working Group > > Chair(s): > TBD > > Applications Area Director(s): > Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com> > Scott Hollenbeck <sah@428cobrajet.net> > > Mailing Lists: > General Discussion: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org > To Subscribe: > http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify > Archive: http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/ > > Description of Working Group: > > The Calendaring and Scheduling standards, defined in RFC's 2445, 2446, > and > 2447 were released in November 1998, and further described in RFC 3283. > They were designed to progress the level of interoperability between > dissimilar calendaring and scheduling systems. The Calendaring and > Scheduling Core Object Specification, iCalendar, succeeded in > establishing > itself as the common format for exchanging calendaring information > across > the Internet. On the other hand, only basic interoperability as been > achieved > between different scheduling systems. > > The Calsify working group is chartered to: > > (1) Publish the interoperability issues that have arisen between > calendaring and scheduling systems, as well as document the usage of > iCalendar by other specifications. > > (2) Revise the Calendaring and Scheduling standards to advance the > state of interoperable calendaring and scheduling by addressing > the published interoperability issues. As far as it is possible, the > working group will ensure backwards compatibility with widely deployed > implementations and other specifications that use it. > > (3) Clarify the registration process for iCalendar extensions (i.e., > the current core object specification only provides a template > to register new properties). > > (4) Advance the Calendaring and Scheduling standards to Draft Standard. > > (5) Work on transition (upgrade or versioning) mechanisms for calendar > data exchange. > > Proposing an XML representation or transformation of iCalendar > objects is out of the scope of this working group. > > Goals and Milestones: > > Jul 05 - Submit draft documenting interoperability issues for use in > progressing RFCs to Draft Standard. > Sep 05 - Submit iCalendar bis draft 00, with formatting changes from > RFC2445. > Sep 05 - Submit iTIP bis draft 00 > Sep 05 - Submit iMIP bis draft 00 > Oct 05 - Submit revised interoperability issues draft version based on > WG > discussion. > Dec 05 - WG decision on what document(s) require transition mechanisms > and > hopefully rough idea what these will look like (and add new goals if > needed) > Mar 06 - WG last call on interoperability issues draft. > May 06 - Submit interoperability issues document to IESG for > Informational RFC. > May 06 - Submit version of iCalendar bis draft that addresses known > interoperability issues from interop events. > Jun 06 - Submit versions of iTIP and iMIP that address known > interoprability issues. > Jul 06 - Submit version of iCalendar draft that addresses WG open > discussions. > Sep 06 - Submit version of iCalendar draft ready for WG last call. > Nov 06 - Complete WG last call of iCalendar and submit new draft. > Nov 06 - Submit versions of iTIP and iMIP ready for last call. > Jan 07 - Submit iCalendar (bis) to IESG for Draft Standard. > Jan 07 - Complete WG last call of iTIP > Feb 07 - Complete WG last call of iMIP > Mar 07 - Submit iTIP to IESG for Draft Standard. > Apr 07 - Submit iMIP to IESG for Draft Standard. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4275 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/attachments/20050629/4cfe609b/attachment.bin Return-Path: <lisa@osafoundation.org> X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0457F545 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B40142284 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12576-06 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.101.178] (w002.z065106067.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [65.106.67.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF932142280 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Message-Id: <80338141d6d59ca494cc43490807d731@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-29481670 From: Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:43:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-calsify] Fwd: WG Review: Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification (calsify) X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:43:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4-29481670 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed FYI Begin forwarded message: > From: IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary-reply@ietf.org> > Date: June 29, 2005 11:42:13 AM PDT > To: ietf-calsify-owner@osafoundation.org > Cc: Subject: WG Review: Calendaring and Scheduling Standards > Simplification (calsify) > > A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. > The IESG > has not made any determination as yet. The following draft charter was > submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please > send your > comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by July 6th. > > +++ > > Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification (calsify) > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Current Status: Proposed Working Group > > Chair(s): > TBD > > Applications Area Director(s): > Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com> > Scott Hollenbeck <sah@428cobrajet.net> > > Mailing Lists: > General Discussion: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org > To Subscribe: > http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify > Archive: http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/ > > Description of Working Group: > > The Calendaring and Scheduling standards, defined in RFC's 2445, 2446, > and > 2447 were released in November 1998, and further described in RFC 3283. > They were designed to progress the level of interoperability between > dissimilar calendaring and scheduling systems. The Calendaring and > Scheduling Core Object Specification, iCalendar, succeeded in > establishing > itself as the common format for exchanging calendaring information > across > the Internet. On the other hand, only basic interoperability as been > achieved > between different scheduling systems. > > The Calsify working group is chartered to: > > (1) Publish the interoperability issues that have arisen between > calendaring and scheduling systems, as well as document the usage of > iCalendar by other specifications. > > (2) Revise the Calendaring and Scheduling standards to advance the > state of interoperable calendaring and scheduling by addressing > the published interoperability issues. As far as it is possible, the > working group will ensure backwards compatibility with widely deployed > implementations and other specifications that use it. > > (3) Clarify the registration process for iCalendar extensions (i.e., > the current core object specification only provides a template > to register new properties). > > (4) Advance the Calendaring and Scheduling standards to Draft Standard. > > (5) Work on transition (upgrade or versioning) mechanisms for calendar > data exchange. > > Proposing an XML representation or transformation of iCalendar > objects is out of the scope of this working group. > > Goals and Milestones: > > Jul 05 - Submit draft documenting interoperability issues for use in > progressing RFCs to Draft Standard. > Sep 05 - Submit iCalendar bis draft 00, with formatting changes from > RFC2445. > Sep 05 - Submit iTIP bis draft 00 > Sep 05 - Submit iMIP bis draft 00 > Oct 05 - Submit revised interoperability issues draft version based on > WG > discussion. > Dec 05 - WG decision on what document(s) require transition mechanisms > and > hopefully rough idea what these will look like (and add new goals if > needed) > Mar 06 - WG last call on interoperability issues draft. > May 06 - Submit interoperability issues document to IESG for > Informational RFC. > May 06 - Submit version of iCalendar bis draft that addresses known > interoperability issues from interop events. > Jun 06 - Submit versions of iTIP and iMIP that address known > interoprability issues. > Jul 06 - Submit version of iCalendar draft that addresses WG open > discussions. > Sep 06 - Submit version of iCalendar draft ready for WG last call. > Nov 06 - Complete WG last call of iCalendar and submit new draft. > Nov 06 - Submit versions of iTIP and iMIP ready for last call. > Jan 07 - Submit iCalendar (bis) to IESG for Draft Standard. > Jan 07 - Complete WG last call of iTIP > Feb 07 - Complete WG last call of iMIP > Mar 07 - Submit iTIP to IESG for Draft Standard. > Apr 07 - Submit iMIP to IESG for Draft Standard. --Apple-Mail-4-29481670 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII FYI Begin forwarded message: <excerpt><bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>From: </color></bold>IESG Secretary <<iesg-secretary-reply@ietf.org> <bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Date: </color></bold>June 29, 2005 11:42:13 AM PDT <bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>To: </color></bold>ietf-calsify-owner@osafoundation.org <bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Cc: Subject: </color>WG Review: Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification (calsify) </bold> A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by July 6th. +++ Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification (calsify) ------------------------------------------------------------- Current Status: Proposed Working Group Chair(s): TBD Applications Area Director(s): Ted Hardie <<hardie@qualcomm.com> Scott Hollenbeck <<sah@428cobrajet.net> Mailing Lists: General Discussion: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org To Subscribe: http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify Archive: http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/ Description of Working Group: The Calendaring and Scheduling standards, defined in RFC's 2445, 2446, and 2447 were released in November 1998, and further described in RFC 3283. They were designed to progress the level of interoperability between dissimilar calendaring and scheduling systems. The Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Specification, iCalendar, succeeded in establishing itself as the common format for exchanging calendaring information across the Internet. On the other hand, only basic interoperability as been achieved between different scheduling systems. The Calsify working group is chartered to: (1) Publish the interoperability issues that have arisen between calendaring and scheduling systems, as well as document the usage of iCalendar by other specifications. (2) Revise the Calendaring and Scheduling standards to advance the state of interoperable calendaring and scheduling by addressing the published interoperability issues. As far as it is possible, the working group will ensure backwards compatibility with widely deployed implementations and other specifications that use it. (3) Clarify the registration process for iCalendar extensions (i.e., the current core object specification only provides a template to register new properties). (4) Advance the Calendaring and Scheduling standards to Draft Standard. (5) Work on transition (upgrade or versioning) mechanisms for calendar data exchange. Proposing an XML representation or transformation of iCalendar objects is out of the scope of this working group. Goals and Milestones: Jul 05 - Submit draft documenting interoperability issues for use in progressing RFCs to Draft Standard. Sep 05 - Submit iCalendar bis draft 00, with formatting changes from RFC2445. Sep 05 - Submit iTIP bis draft 00 Sep 05 - Submit iMIP bis draft 00 Oct 05 - Submit revised interoperability issues draft version based on WG discussion. Dec 05 - WG decision on what document(s) require transition mechanisms and hopefully rough idea what these will look like (and add new goals if needed) Mar 06 - WG last call on interoperability issues draft. May 06 - Submit interoperability issues document to IESG for Informational RFC. May 06 - Submit version of iCalendar bis draft that addresses known interoperability issues from interop events. Jun 06 - Submit versions of iTIP and iMIP that address known interoprability issues. Jul 06 - Submit version of iCalendar draft that addresses WG open discussions. Sep 06 - Submit version of iCalendar draft ready for WG last call. Nov 06 - Complete WG last call of iCalendar and submit new draft. Nov 06 - Submit versions of iTIP and iMIP ready for last call. Jan 07 - Submit iCalendar (bis) to IESG for Draft Standard. Jan 07 - Complete WG last call of iTIP Feb 07 - Complete WG last call of iMIP Mar 07 - Submit iTIP to IESG for Draft Standard. Apr 07 - Submit iMIP to IESG for Draft Standard. </excerpt> --Apple-Mail-4-29481670-- Return-Path: <lisa@osafoundation.org> X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3227F55C for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA6614225D for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17431-04 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.101.178] (w002.z065106067.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [65.106.67.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE08D14225C for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6561cf78613134828a7d3dd06d0cbbf5@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org From: Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:05:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-calsify] Planning for Paris X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:05:50 -0000 I went ahead and asked for a slot for CALSIFY at the next IETF in Paris, Aug 1-5. At the same time, the IESG is also reviewing our charter proposal, so we may even meet as an approved WG by then. I'll start working on the meeting agenda shortly... Lisa Return-Path: <Doug@royer.com> X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (unknown [10.10.1.1]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02157F547 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2211E14228A for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10524-02 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from royer.com (inet-consulting.com [4.23.9.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E3314226D for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.168.10] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by royer.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5LIE2ZA023616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:14:05 -0700 Message-ID: <42B858EA.1020209@Royer.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:14:02 -0600 From: Doug Royer <Doug@royer.com> Organization: IntelliCal.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-calsify] email alarms + description References: <42B8342D.8020202@rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: <42B8342D.8020202@rpi.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050806020405050305040107" Received-SPF: pass (royer.com: 127.0.0.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact SiteAdmin@INET-Consulting.com for more information X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:29:56 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050806020405050305040107 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090703030100030504030303" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090703030100030504030303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So you are saying that if the VALARM SUMMARY and DESCRIPTION are not provided, then default to the VEVENT values? Interesting idea, not compatible with 2445. If you send them now with those properties missing, no one can read them at all. So it seems to be a bit more wasteful to send alarms that everyone tosses. If your talking about storage, that's up to your store. iCal is a calendar exchange protocol, not a file store. If you give direct access to the file store as an ICS file, then you would need to be compatible with the readers of that data. If your ICS files are in fact dynamically generated data that looks like an ICS file, then you can generate 2445 VALARMs at run time and do not need to store the SUMMARY and DESCRIPTION separately. Mike Douglass wrote: > RFC 2445 states (4.6.6) that the description property is required for an > email alarm and will be used for the message body. > > I'd prefer to see this as an optional property. > > I'm implementing automatic mailing of (public) events to subscribed > users and I'll probably do so by setting alarms on the events. > > An appropriate message body is probably a displayable form of the event, > with the actual event as an ics attachment. > > I could populate all the alarm objects with the text form of the event > but that's a bit wasteful. In any case I'd like the user to be able to > signify the default mode by just leaving out the property. > > The same could be said of the alarm summary. By default I'd fill it with > the event summary. > -- Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com -------------------------------|----------------------------- We Do Standards - You Need Standards --------------090703030100030504030303 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Doug.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doug.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Doug Royer n:Royer;Doug org:INET-Consulting.com adr:;;1795 W. 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description property is required for an email alarm and will be used for the message body. I'd prefer to see this as an optional property. I'm implementing automatic mailing of (public) events to subscribed users and I'll probably do so by setting alarms on the events. An appropriate message body is probably a displayable form of the event, with the actual event as an ics attachment. I could populate all the alarm objects with the text form of the event but that's a bit wasteful. In any case I'd like the user to be able to signify the default mode by just leaving out the property. The same could be said of the alarm summary. By default I'd fill it with the event summary. -- Mike Douglass douglm@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer Communication & Collaboration Technologies 518 276 6780(voice) 2809 (fax) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 Return-Path: <Doug@Royer.com> X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (unknown [10.10.1.1]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8B07F56D for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16A014226F for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18960-10 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from royer.com (inet-consulting.com [4.23.9.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91250142257 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.168.10] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by royer.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5K44HTE014355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:04:19 -0700 Message-ID: <42B64041.4070402@Royer.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:04:17 -0600 From: Doug Royer <Doug@Royer.com> Organization: IntelliCal.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Calsify <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> Subject: Re: [Ietf-calsify] iCal-Basic -03 has been submitted. References: <42B4EA56.5090506@Royer.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050619230253.01d462d8@mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050619230253.01d462d8@mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070902040900000606030609" Received-SPF: pass (royer.com: 127.0.0.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact SiteAdmin@INET-Consulting.com for more information X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Calsify <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:01:26 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070902040900000606030609 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010206070708090304060603" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010206070708090304060603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://inet-consulting.com/draft-royer-ical-basic-03.xml Tim Hare wrote: > Doug, is there anywhere I can find the XML versions of these and the RFCs? > > Thanks > > At 11:45 PM 6/18/2005, you wrote: > >> I made the changes to DURATION that was discussed on the CALSIFY mailing >> list and submitted them to the IETF. The changes are in : >> >> 4.3.6 Duration >> 4.10.3 Recurrence Date/Times >> >> >> Copies at: >> >> http://inet-consulting.com/draft-royer-ical-basic-03.txt >> >> http://inet-consulting.com/draft-royer-ical-basic-03.html >> >> -- >> >> Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com >> -------------------------------|----------------------------- >> >> We Do Standards - You Need Standards >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-calsify mailing list >> Ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org >> http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify > > > Tim Hare > Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-calsify mailing list > Ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org > http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify -- Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com -------------------------------|----------------------------- We Do Standards - You Need Standards --------------010206070708090304060603 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Doug.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doug.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Doug Royer n:Royer;Doug org:INET-Consulting.com adr:;;1795 W. 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In-Reply-To: <42B4EA56.5090506@Royer.com> References: <42B4EA56.5090506@Royer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:01:21 -0000 Doug, is there anywhere I can find the XML versions of these and the RFCs? Thanks At 11:45 PM 6/18/2005, you wrote: >I made the changes to DURATION that was discussed on the CALSIFY mailing >list and submitted them to the IETF. The changes are in : > > 4.3.6 Duration > 4.10.3 Recurrence Date/Times > > >Copies at: > > http://inet-consulting.com/draft-royer-ical-basic-03.txt > > http://inet-consulting.com/draft-royer-ical-basic-03.html > >-- > >Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com >-------------------------------|----------------------------- > > We Do Standards - You Need Standards > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ietf-calsify mailing list >Ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org >http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify Tim Hare Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. Return-Path: <Doug@royer.com> X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (unknown [10.10.1.1]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410737F56D for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9C4142271 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15129-10 for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from royer.com (inet-consulting.com [4.23.9.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77FE14226F for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.168.10] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by royer.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5JJhNik028828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:43:25 -0700 Message-ID: <42B5CADA.7010000@Royer.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:43:22 -0600 From: Doug Royer <Doug@royer.com> Organization: IntelliCal.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Calsify <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> Subject: Re: [Ietf-calsify] VERSION value in iCal-Basic References: <42B4F04B.3020204@Royer.com> <200506191055.19999.reinhold@kainhofer.com> In-Reply-To: <200506191055.19999.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090905070107020009080302" Received-SPF: pass (royer.com: 127.0.0.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact SiteAdmin@INET-Consulting.com for more information X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Calsify <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:17:33 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090905070107020009080302 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010105050204070800000606" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010105050204070800000606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After looking into it, Mozilla uses libical. So filed bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298177 Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2005 06:10 schrieb Doug Royer: > >>It is by belief that iCal-Basic is compatible to implementations. >>That is the changes are clarifying existing components, properties, >>and parameters and reduces the number of them. >> >>I believe that it is possible for an RFC-2445 implementation >>to have generated an iCal-Basic object (except new properties >>which it would ignore per 2445). >> >>So, I am proposing that iCal-Basic have a VERSION value >>of: >> >> VERSION:2.0;2.1 >> >>Specifying that it is newer (2.1) and can be read by existing (2.0) >>parsers and implementations. >> >>There is no change to the 2445 VERSION property needed to support this >>value. The existing 2445 VERSION property supports a range >>of VERSION property values. > > > And since calsify is about using only what is supported by most > implementations: How many implementations actually support this range? My > guess is approximately 0. > I wonder how implementations behave when they encounter such a VERSION? If > they accept it and parse it, then fine. But I suspect that there are > implementations out there that compare the version string with "2.0" and > produce an error message otherwise. This should not happen, of course. > > At least libkcal (KDE's calendar library including support for iCalendar) > fails with such a VERSION... > Mozilla calendar seems to ignore the VERSION altogether (but hangs while > importing such a file, no idea what's the exact reason). > And Evolution also ignores the VERSION completely (i.e. if the version is > "4.0", evolution also imports it just fine... Which it shouldn't, I guess?) > > So far, there was no other calendar version that tried to be compatible with > 2445, so this was a working approach, but with calsify things change... > > Reinhold > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-calsify mailing list > Ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org > http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify -- Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com -------------------------------|----------------------------- We Do Standards - You Need Standards --------------010105050204070800000606 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Doug.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doug.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Doug Royer n:Royer;Doug org:INET-Consulting.com adr:;;1795 W. 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in iCal-Basic References: <42B4F04B.3020204@Royer.com> <200506191055.19999.reinhold@kainhofer.com> In-Reply-To: <200506191055.19999.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080002030909050103030701" Received-SPF: pass (royer.com: 127.0.0.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact SiteAdmin@INET-Consulting.com for more information X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Calsify <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:17:29 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080002030909050103030701 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030906020406010504020507" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030906020406010504020507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2005 06:10 schrieb Doug Royer: > >>It is by belief that iCal-Basic is compatible to implementations. >>That is the changes are clarifying existing components, properties, >>and parameters and reduces the number of them. >> >>I believe that it is possible for an RFC-2445 implementation >>to have generated an iCal-Basic object (except new properties >>which it would ignore per 2445). >> >>So, I am proposing that iCal-Basic have a VERSION value >>of: >> >> VERSION:2.0;2.1 >> >>Specifying that it is newer (2.1) and can be read by existing (2.0) >>parsers and implementations. >> >>There is no change to the 2445 VERSION property needed to support this >>value. The existing 2445 VERSION property supports a range >>of VERSION property values. > > > And since calsify is about using only what is supported by most > implementations: How many implementations actually support this range? My > guess is approximately 0. By 'this range', do you mean the one that I am proposing as a new one? > I wonder how implementations behave when they encounter such a VERSION? If > they accept it and parse it, then fine. But I suspect that there are > implementations out there that compare the version string with "2.0" and > produce an error message otherwise. This should not happen, of course. I do not think we have a choice. Mandating that we never use all of the VERSION property value types simply because some did not do it correctly will keep iCal from never being fixed. For those that ignore it, it will not matter ether way. For those that look at it and do not support CALSIFY, it should not matter as they also support 2.0. For those that support CALSIFY, they now know what to expect. For those that crash or hang - well that was going to happen at some point anyway in recent time as that was the entire purpose of VERSION is to allow content type version control. > At least libkcal (KDE's calendar library including support for iCalendar) > fails with such a VERSION... Libical is open source so that is easy to fix. > Mozilla calendar seems to ignore the VERSION altogether (but hangs while > importing such a file, no idea what's the exact reason). > And Evolution also ignores the VERSION completely (i.e. if the version is > "4.0", evolution also imports it just fine... Which it shouldn't, I guess?) I follow the Mozilla development. It will also be an easy fix. > So far, there was no other calendar version that tried to be compatible with > 2445, so this was a working approach, but with calsify things change... I think we agree. We need to start fixing things so that we have more compatibility. -- Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com -------------------------------|----------------------------- We Do Standards - You Need Standards --------------030906020406010504020507 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Doug.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doug.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Doug Royer n:Royer;Doug org:INET-Consulting.com adr:;;1795 W. 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list List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:52:33 -0000 --nextPart1232180.0HxSt6qklI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2005 06:10 schrieb Doug Royer: > It is by belief that iCal-Basic is compatible to implementations. > That is the changes are clarifying existing components, properties, > and parameters and reduces the number of them. > > I believe that it is possible for an RFC-2445 implementation > to have generated an iCal-Basic object (except new properties > which it would ignore per 2445). > > So, I am proposing that iCal-Basic have a VERSION value > of: > > VERSION:2.0;2.1 > > Specifying that it is newer (2.1) and can be read by existing (2.0) > parsers and implementations. > > There is no change to the 2445 VERSION property needed to support this > value. The existing 2445 VERSION property supports a range > of VERSION property values. And since calsify is about using only what is supported by most=20 implementations: How many implementations actually support this range? My= =20 guess is approximately 0.=20 I wonder how implementations behave when they encounter such a VERSION? If= =20 they accept it and parse it, then fine. But I suspect that there are=20 implementations out there that compare the version string with "2.0" and=20 produce an error message otherwise. This should not happen, of course. At least libkcal (KDE's calendar library including support for iCalendar)=20 fails with such a VERSION... Mozilla calendar seems to ignore the VERSION altogether (but hangs while=20 importing such a file, no idea what's the exact reason). And Evolution also ignores the VERSION completely (i.e. if the version is=20 "4.0", evolution also imports it just fine... Which it shouldn't, I guess?) So far, there was no other calendar version that tried to be compatible wit= h=20 2445, so this was a working approach, but with calsify things change... 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That is the changes are clarifying existing components, properties, and parameters and reduces the number of them. I believe that it is possible for an RFC-2445 implementation to have generated an iCal-Basic object (except new properties which it would ignore per 2445). So, I am proposing that iCal-Basic have a VERSION value of: VERSION:2.0;2.1 Specifying that it is newer (2.1) and can be read by existing (2.0) parsers and implementations. There is no change to the 2445 VERSION property needed to support this value. 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(dave.thewlis@sbcglobal.net@69.107.112.17 with plain) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2005 18:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <42ADD472.2080201@calconnect.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:46:10 -0700 From: Dave Thewlis <Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org> Organization: The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-calsify list <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY, MIME_HTML_ONLY X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-calsify] Reminder -- Questionnaire on Implementation of Timezones -- Calconnect and Calsify X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:44:05 -0000 <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <pre wrap="">Dear Folks, This is a followup reminder to my e-mail of May 24th requesting assistance in responding to a Calconnect questionnaire on Timezones. Our original target date for responses was June 10th. We're received several responses but hope that with a little more time others will be able to help us. If you've not responded but have a calendaring implementation, we would appreciate it very much if you could take a few minutes to respond to our questionnaire. We've extended the target date another week to Monday, June 20th -- and so you don't have to rummage around and find my previous e-mail, the questionniare (which is in e-mail format so you can fill it out and e-mail it back) is included below. Thank you very much for your help. Dave Thewlis --- <b>Dave Thewlis, Executive Director Calconnect - The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium</b> +1 707 840 9391 (voice) · +1 707 498 2238 (mobile) <a href="http://www.calconnect.org%3E">http://www.calconnect.org</a> · <a href="mailto:Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org">Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org</a> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Questionnaire on Timezones in iCalendar Introduction: This questionnaire is being used to determine support for iCalendar (RFC2445) timezone support. The specific sections in RFC2445 that are being queried are: 4.6.5 Time Zone Component 4.8.2.4 Date/Time Start 4.8.3 Time Zone Component Properties ( and sub-sections ) 4.8.5.3 Recurrence Date/Times 4.8.5.4 Recurrence Rule 4.8.7.3 Last Modified 4.8.8.1 Non-standard Properties These may involve reference to other sections. How to answer: Please copy the text from the '-------' divider below to the end of this message into a new message and address it to: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:questionnaire@calconnect.org"><mailto:questionnaire@calconnect.org></a> To fill it out: For 'y/n/o': 'y' means yes 'n' means no 'o' means other or not applicable Delete two letters to leave the one for your answer. If you have specific comments you can add about your answers, please do so at the end and reference the question number to which the comment applies. For _____________________: enter text for the answer. ------- Product Details: P1: Product/Implementation Name: _____________________ Components supported: Consume Produce Q1: VTIMEZONE y/n/o y/n/o Q1.1: STANDARD y/n/o y/n/o Q1.2: DAYLIGHT y/n/o y/n/o Properties supported: In VTIMEZONE Consume Produce Q2.1: TZID y/n/o y/n/o Q2.2: LAST-MODIFIED y/n/o y/n/o Q2.3: TZURL y/n/o y/n/o Q2.4: XPROP y/n/o y/n/o In STANDARD Consume Produce Q3.1: DTSTART y/n/o y/n/o Q3.2: TZOFFSETTO y/n/o y/n/o Q3.3: TZOFFSETFROM y/n/o y/n/o Q3.4: COMMENT y/n/o y/n/o Q3.5: RDATE y/n/o y/n/o Q3.6: RRULE y/n/o y/n/o Q3.7: TZNAME y/n/o y/n/o Q3.8: XPROP y/n/o y/n/o In DAYLIGHT Consume Produce Q4.1: DTSTART y/n/o y/n/o Q4.2: TZOFFSETTO y/n/o y/n/o Q4.3: TZOFFSETFROM y/n/o y/n/o Q4.4: COMMENT y/n/o y/n/o Q4.5: RDATE y/n/o y/n/o Q4.6: RRULE y/n/o y/n/o Q4.7: TZNAME y/n/o y/n/o Q4.8: XPROP y/n/o y/n/o General: Q5: Do you always send DATE-TIME values with a timezone? y/n/o Q6: Do you always send DATE-TIME values in UTC or floating? y/n/o Q7: Do you provide a standard set of timezones built-in to your product? y/n/o if yes to Q7, then { Q8: Where did you get your timezone definitions? _____________________ Q9: How many timezone definitions do you have? _____________________ Q10: Do you have a special naming scheme for TZIDs, and if so what is it? _____________________ Q11: Do you provide a mechanism for updating built-in timezones? y/n/o if yes to Q11, then { Q12: Do you adjust future times to account for timezone definition changes? y/n/o } } Q13: Do you accept and use timezone definitions from imported iCalendar data? y/n/o if yes to Q13, then { Q14: Do you attempt to merge timezone definitions with the same TZID when importing iCalendar data? y/n/o } Q15: When exporting timezones in iCalendar data (either to a file or via iTIP) do you send the entire timezone definition or just the set of dates needed for coverage of the event? _____________________ Q16: Would you use timezone definitions from a standard timezone registry if one were created? y/n/o Q17: What problems would be involved in changing a timezone definition if DST was changed at some point in the future? _____________________ C1: Comments on specific answers (include Q number for cross-reference to original question): _____________________ C2: Comments on the format and ease of use of this questionnaire: _____________________ C3: Are there any additional questions we should be asking, and if so what are they? _____________________ </pre> <br> <div class="moz-signature"><br> </div> </body> </html> Return-Path: <reinhold@kainhofer.com> X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (unknown [10.10.1.1]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BD17F56D for <ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org>; 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Tue, 31 May 2005 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reinhold@kainhofer.com) Received: from curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at (reinhold@curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.116]) by doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j4VDxFwP015225 for <ietf-calendar@imc.org>; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:59:17 +0200 From: Reinhold Kainhofer <reinhold@kainhofer.com> Organization: FAM, Vienna University of Technology To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:34:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200506011734.08694.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Precedence: bulk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Loop: kainhofer@finanz.math.tu-graz.ac.at X-Spam-Scanner: SpamAssassin 3.000003 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 129.27.5.26 X-UID: 3056 X-Length: 8804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-calsify] Questions regarding details of recurrence rules X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: ietf-calsify.osafoundation.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://localhost.localdomain/pipermail/ietf-calsify> List-Post: <mailto:ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify>, <mailto:ietf-calsify-request@osafoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:33:43 -0000 Hi Guys, I already sent this to ietf-calendar, but didn't get any definitive response so far. It may be a bit off-topic here, but I'm still hoping for an answer that helps me getting RFC 2445-RRULEs completely correct. For the most part, the RFC is clear to me, but there are some details that are not clear. I encountered them when I tested my new recurrence implementation which tries to implement every aspect of rrules, exrules, rdates and exdates. The examples below sometimes might look like nitpicking, but I deliberately designed them to make little details of the RFC clear. These issues might be a language problem on my side, or an unclear wording in the RFC. In any case, I'd like to know how the RFC really meant those things to work. 1) About the BYDAY rule part: Let's start with some examples RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=3SU Okay, that's the third sunday of the year. But what exactly is RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=5SU;BYMONTH=2 Is this the fith sunday in the year, if it is also in february? Or is it the fifth sunday in february? And it can be even less clear from rfc 2445. What is RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=5SU;BYMONTH=2,7 Is this the fifth sunday of the year, if it's in either February or July? Or is it the fifth sunday of both february and July? Or is it the fifth sunday of febrary and july together (i.e. in feb if the feb in a leap year has 5 sundays, or the first sunday of july in all other years)? If you think it's the latter, think about the following rule: RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYWEEKNO=4;BYDAY=5SU Is it the fifth sunday of all sundays that are in week #4? Or is it the fifth sunday of the year if it is also in week #4? Also, what does this rule mean: RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=2SU;BYYEARDAY=72 I suppose it doesn't mean the 72th day of the year, if that's the 2nd sunday in March (or in the year, using a different interpretation). Also notice that rfc 2445 says "For example, within a MONTHLY rule, +1MO (or simply 1MO) represents the first Monday within the month, whereas -1MO represents the last Monday of the month. ". So what does RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;BYYEARDAY=57,64;BYDAY=-1MO mean? The last monday of each month if it's also day #57 or #64 of the year (which the quote implies), or the last monday each month in the set of all days #57 and #64 of the year. In particular, in 2007, would the recurrence set be Feb 27 (=#57 of the year, and the last monday in february) without any occurence in march (march 5 is day #64, but it's not the last monday in the month, since rfc 2445 says -1MO means last monday of the month)? Or would it be Feb 27 (day #57 of the year, and last monday of all dates that match the BYYEARDAY in the february interval) and March 4 ( day #64 of the year and last monday of all dates in March that match the BYYEARDAY). 2) In Section 4.3.10 RFC 2445 says "The COUNT rule part defines the number of occurrences at which to range-bound the recurrence. The "DTSTART" property value, if specified, counts as the first occurrence.". So look at this rrule: DTSTART;TZID=whatever:20050530T120000 RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;COUNT=3;BYMONTH=6 The resulting recurrence dates would be 1) 20050530 2) 20050630 3) 20060630 Now if the DTSTART is not specified the quote from above would imply that the start doesn't count as a recurrence, so looking at DTEND;TZID=whatever:20050530T150000 DURATION:PT3H RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;COUNT=3;BYMONTH=6 would give the following resulting recurrence dates? 1) 20050530 (DTSTART is always the first occurence, ) 2) 20050630 3) 20060630 4) 20070630 (DTSTART doesn't count towards COUNT) If it's not meant that way, and an implicit value of DTSTART is also used for the count, why does RFC 2445 include the half sentence "if specified"? If some incidence doesn't even haven an implicit value of DTSTART, an RRULE doesn't make any sense at all. 3) About the DTSTART and recurrence rules: Is the DTSTART always taken to match the rule (even if it doesn't fulfil the BY* parts)? In particular this is important for EXRULES: Is the DTSTART always the first occurence of the EXRULE? If that's the case, the DTSTART will always be excluded as soon as at least one EXRULE is present. And since exceptions overrule inclusions, there's no way to have an occurence on the DTSTART in that case... Is this really the intended behaviour? Thanks a lot already for your clarifications / discussions. Cheers, Reinhold -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: reinhold@kainhofer.com, http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer / KPilot maintainer
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