Re: [Captive-portals] CAPPORT meeting at IETF95 in Buenos Aires.

David Illsley <davidillsley@gmail.com> Tue, 16 February 2016 16:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Captive-portals] CAPPORT meeting at IETF95 in Buenos Aires.
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I'm interested in the Sandboxing point in section 4. I understand these to
be designed as a pro-user security feature. In general I don't trust random
network devices in hotels so I'll use a VPN. That leaves me open to malware
attacks from the captive portal [1]. Deciding to put captive portals into a
more-restrictive-than-usual sandbox then seems reasonable to me.

Can you explain the problems caused by sandboxing (I don't think I've ever
experienced them)?
David

[1] http://www.wired.com/2014/11/darkhotel-malware/

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:24 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:

>
> > On 16 Feb 2016, at 4:46 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
> >
> > Mark Nottingham is already working on a "problem statement" type draft
> with outlines some of this, but we'd like more viewpoints/ discussions.
>
> Please!
>
> > His initial submission is here: "Before You Log In, Here's A Brief
> Message From Our Sponsors!" - draft-nottingham-capport-problem (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottingham-capport-problem/)
>
> ... and that's really just a regurgitation of what we previously put
> together at <https://github.com/httpwg/wiki/wiki/Captive-Portals>.  If
> people have suggestions, corrections, pull requests, etc. I'm all ears.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
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