Re: [Cbor] Paywalled IEEE standards referenced in draft-bormann-cbor-time-tag
Emile Cormier <emile.cormier.jr@gmail.com> Sat, 03 April 2021 18:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cbor] Paywalled IEEE standards referenced in draft-bormann-cbor-time-tag
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On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 4:11 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote: > On 2021-04-03, at 01:49, Emile Cormier <emile.cormier.jr@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The IETF draft for cbor tags 1001 thru 1003 reference the IEEE1588-2008 > standard for the clock quality keys. > > Are there no other public domain or open-source standards that would > serve the same purpose as IEEE1588-2008 for the clock quality keys? > > I’m not aware of any other places where this material has been written up > (note that RFC 8575 also simply references IEEE1588). > > > I ask that without any expertise on the subject, but merely as a C++ > CBOR library implementer who wants to support these CBOR tags (they are > better for transmitting std::chrono::time_point values losslessly). > > > > At the very least, can the descriptions be more explicit about the data > types needed for the clock quality keys? ClockClass and ClockAccuracy > specify "one-byte integer", but it's not clear if it's signed or unsigned. > > Well, it is clear from the CDDL above, but I have fixed the textual > description of the rationale to include “unsigned” in the editor copy [1]. > Thanks! It did not occur to me to check the CDDL. I'll pay more attention to that the next time the data type is not clear in the descriptive text. > > [1]: https://github.com/cbor-wg/time-tag/commit/8ce40c3 > > > Also, "octet" would be a better word than "byte", since there are > architectures (such as DSPs) where a byte is 16 bits. > > (See previous mail.) > If "byte" is already well understood to be 8 bits in these sorts of internet standards, then I don't want to belabor the point. > > > The OffsetScaledLogVariance key does not mention the value's data > type(s) or its physical units. > > That is because it is really weird, and you won’t be able to make heads or > tails of it unless you read IEEE1588. Maybe we can have a summary of it in > the next version, but rephrasing all the details won’t work. > I don't really need to understand it. I just need to pass it on to the application if requested. I now see it defined as a 16-bit unsigned integer in the CDDL. > > > My motivation is to create an intermediate extended_time struct in my > C++ library that contains all the possible fields of a CBOR extended time. > If an application wants to deserialize it into a std::chrono::time_point, > my library would discard the clock quality stuff. If some sort of > scientific application really wants the clock quality information, then > they just deserialize into an extended_time destination object and my > library copies all the available information. > > > > It would be preferable if the numeric clock quality fields in my > extended_time struct were of a known static type, such as a double. But > since I don't have access to IEEE1588, I don't know if double is of > sufficient accuracy. I would appreciate it if an expert could illuminate me > on the required numeric precision, or point me in the right direction for > my own research on the subject. > > If you are talking about uncertainty (-7) and guarantee (-8), it is > unclear to me what your precision requirements would be. If the > uncertainty is 1e-8 s, you could represent this in a double, but there of > course is no exact representation of 1e-8 in IEEE 754 binary floating > point. The uncertainty of the uncertainty is going to be large enough that > this is entirely inconsequential. (The range of double is definitely > sufficient.) > Thank you, this helps. I'll probably just pass those items to the application (if requested) as double-precision floats, then. Thank you for your time and patience. > > Grüße, Carsten > >
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