Re: [CCAMP] New drafts addressing the manangement and control of optical interfaces 698.2

Dear Xihua,

Thanks a lot for your comments.
Please see the response below inline marked [MP].

Best regards,
Manuel

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Hi Authors,

I read through your framework document. Following is my comments.

1. In section 5.1.2, it is not clear for me what's the purpose to use LMP (XML).
Do you mean you use LMP protocol to communicate management information between CL and OM/OD?
[MP:] Yes, here, LMP was primarily intended to provide an out-of-band logical channel between the Client and the optical domain to carry management information (e.g. XML encoded). I.E. here it is scoped to the management plane.
Additionally, in another scenario, LMP could be also used to provide the control plane communication, please see more below.
We will clarify that in the text and figure in the next version.
2. In section 5.2, you mention "LMP must be run between the both end-points of the link
and between the edge node and the first optical network node."
Would you like to clarify what's purpose to run LMP between both end-points of BL?
IMO, many physical interface parameters must be decided to make transmitter and receiver meet the range of interoperability during network planning.
We don't need to use LMP to negotiate physical parameters.
[MP:] This section relates to an advanced scenario where a dynamic control plane is present/in use. Interface capability could be discovered and signaled using LMP.
You mention a solution using a common control plane for transport and client network.
Would you like to clarify the concept of common control plane?
IMO, the control plane is to manage the end points and traffic engineering of TE links as illustrated in following figure.
Suppose the common control plane could control the client network (i.e., router) and these TE links.
But it shouldn't be matter with the control plane within the black box.
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[MP:] Common control plane would mean that both the client and the transport network equipment would be controlled by the same administrative unit, running a single control plane instance.
This would be as represented by the upper example in your figure, while the bottom one matches with the consideration for a (or two) separate and independent control plane instance(s).

3.It is not clear for me what control plane could done for BL. This draft doesn't clearly give any implication for CP.
[MP] I think the question about the application is answered by the consideration above regarding your example. Of course, as can be seen in the v00, the control plane part is not yet finished but work in progress.
Thanks for your comments here, also for the offline talks during the IETF meeting. Will be helpful to progress this section, i.e. to work out how a segmented control approach could work and what would be the protocol implications.

We may need to consider how to dynamic configure end points OAM of black link.
We may evaluate if draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext could apply to BL.

Xihua

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[CCAMP] New drafts addressing the manangement and control of optical interfaces 698.2

Hi all,

after the discussion we received at IETF Prague meeting and having proposed the draft to ITU-T, we did some
changes and renamed the following drafts dealing with the management of optical interfaces based on ITU-T 698.2 standard.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kunze-g-698-2-management-control-framework-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-galimbe-kunze-g-698-2-snmp-mib-00
Both documents focus exclusive on ITU-T specified data plane technologies.
For the authors it is important to find a home within the IETF and we think CCAMP is the right base to do this work.
Please send your comments to list.

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