Re: [CCAMP] IPR Disclosure: Alcatel-Lucent's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-srlg-collect-09

"Matt Hartley (mhartley)" <mhartley@cisco.com> Thu, 06 November 2014 20:52 UTC

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Thread-Topic: IPR Disclosure: Alcatel-Lucent's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-srlg-collect-09
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Thanks, Dieter.

One more question... I see that the Licensing Declaration is, "Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All Implementers with Possible Royalty/Fee." What does that mean from ALU's point of view? Does it mean, "You're free to implement/use this as long as you don't sue us"? Or does it mean something more like "You'll have to pay us a royalty/fee if you want to use this"?

Cheers

Matt


Hi Matt, all,
On 06.11.2014 18:07, Matt Hartley (mhartley) wrote:
Thanks, Dieter.

So, just to clarify: as far as draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-srlg-collect is concerned, this IPR applies ONLY to the use-case text in section 1.1 that was added in version -08. Is that correct?
yes, that is correct. We just wanted not to accidentally violate IETF policy rules.



Thanks,
Dieter



Cheers

Matt

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Subject: Re: IPR Disclosure: Alcatel-Lucent's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-srlg-collect-09

Hi all,
On 06.11.2014 16:50, OSCAR GONZALEZ DE DIOS wrote:

Hi all,



        I am really surprised about this late statement. Should it be related to

the use case case text provided by Dieter and we incorporated in the last

version of the draft, which was merely informational as an example of how

the proposed method could be used, I would suggest to remove it

immediately from the draft.



        Dieter, can you comment on this?
the IPR does not apply to the collection of SRLG information. It does apply to the diversity mechanism that
uses the srlg collection mechanism as described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-lsp-diversity-04.
An IPR disclosure has been submitted for the diversity draft.

But we thought that the IETF IPR policy rules might also require an IPR disclosure for the srlg-collect draft even
if it does not directly apply to the srlg collection mechanism, and did not want to unintentionally violate the
policy rules.

I hope this clarifies why this has been submitted.


Thanks,
Dieter








        If the claim applies to the method to collect SRLG information, the

method itself has been around since 2010, and the Date(s) granted or

applied for are:        July 9, 2012; June 17, 2013.



        Suggestions, thoughts?



        Óscar







El 06/11/14 16:34, "IETF Secretariat" <ietf-ipr@ietf.org><mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org> escribió:





Dear Fatai Zhang, Matt Hartley, Dan Li, Cyril Margaria, Zafar Ali, Oscar

Gonzalez de Dios:



An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "RSVP-TE

Extensions for Collecting SRLG Information"

(draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-srlg-

collect) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2014-11-06 and has been

posted

on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2478/). The title of the IPR disclosure

is

"Alcatel-Lucent's Statement about IPR related to

draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-srlg-

collect-09."");



The IETF Secretariat







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