Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext

Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Tue, 21 February 2012 17:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext
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Excellent.  We have definitely had a case of "hot potato" text here.
Very confusing...

Thanks,
Lou

On 2/21/2012 12:24 PM, Francois Le Faucheur wrote:
> 
> On 21 Feb 2012, at 17:19, Ashok Narayanan wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that's correct. 
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> There may have been some temporary housing in
>> draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info at some time
> 
> Exactly (that is why I said "assoc-info (and eventually assoc-ext)").
> 
>> but now the drafts are distinct.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>>
>>> Francois,
>>> Don't you mean:
>>> draft-narayanan-tsvwg-rsvp-resource-sharing
>>> REPLACED BY
>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext
>>> AND
>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing
> 
> Yes (with current versions of the document).
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Francois
> 
> 
>>>
>>> As is shown by the link below, I don't believe any part of the current
>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info came from
>>> draft-narayanan-tsvwg-rsvp-resource-sharing. (Which is why you and Ashok
>>> ended up being dropped as co-authors once the text was reorganized into
>>> the drafts listed above).
>>> http://www.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht?difftype=--hwdiff&url1=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-berger-ccamp-assoc-info-00.txt&url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info-03.txt
>>> <http://www.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht?difftype=--hwdiff&url1=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-berger-ccamp-assoc-info-00.txt&url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info-03.txt>
>>>
>>> Please confirm.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lou
>>>
>>> On 2/21/2012 5:25 AM, Francois Le Faucheur wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 22:52, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> CCAMP,
>>>>>
>>>>> In preparation of this document for WG Last Call:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext? If
>>>>> so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see
>>>>> RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
>>>>> above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
>>>>> aware of any relevant IPR.  This document will not advance to the next
>>>>> stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
>>>>> contributor.
>>>>
>>>> The bulk of the material initially contained in
>>>> draft-narayanan-tsvwg-rsvp-resource-sharing was moved to assoc-info,
>>>> and then moved to assoc-ext. Therefore, I believe the IPR disclosed
>>>> on July 9, 2009 related to
>>>> draft-narayanan-tsvwg-rsvp-resource-sharing
>>>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1169/) would apply to
>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext.
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that the I-D tracker lists
>>>> draft-narayanan-tsvwg-rsvp-resource-sharing as replaced by
>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing, while it was in effect
>>>> replaced by the combination of draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing
>>>> and assoc-info (and eventually assoc-ext).
>>>>
>>>> Francois
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an
>>>>> author or
>>>>> contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules
>>>>> which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of
>>>>> others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any
>>>>> contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR.  For more
>>>>> information, please see the RFCs listed above and
>>>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.
>>>>>
>>>>> CCAMP WG Chairs
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp
>>>>
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