[Cellar] Agenda for our August 23 meeting.

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

Dear Cellar,

This are the topics I know about for our interim meeting tomorrow (link is
at https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-07-cellar?view)

Please let me know if you need us to add any other topics to the agenda.

Best,

Spencer

CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
DateTimeLocal Times
2022-08-23 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter
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Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Administrivia>Administrivia
<https://notes.ietf.org/#INFO>INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-07
Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
<https://notes.ietf.org/#WEB-CONFERENCE>WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=8291e9a9-5e5d-4f43-928a-9f49e52df598

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Shared-HedgeDoc-for-notetaking>Shared HedgeDoc for
notetaking

Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad
at:https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-07-cellar?view


   -

   Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you’ll be able to
   edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
   -

   Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#2022-virtual-interim-meeting-dates>2022 virtual
interim meeting dates

   - Please note our 2022 dates listed at
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Agenda-Items>Agenda Items
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Note-Well-httpswwwietforgaboutnote-well>Note Well:
https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ <https://notes.ietf.org/#Roll-call>Roll
call

Attendees

   - Spencer Dawkins
   -

Regrets
*
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Accept-draft-minutes-from-previous-meeting-attached-below>Accept
draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

   - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#WG-status-update>WG status update

   - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-04 was posted 2022-08-21, in ID Exists
   - *draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-11 was posted 2022-07-03, in WG Consensus:
   Waiting for Write-Up, and has been updated after WGLC*
   - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Milestone-review>Milestone review:

   - FLAC - did not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for
   milestone?
   ** We said at the June meeting that we could spend all of the August
   meeting on FLAC, if we needed to …

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Discussion-on-the-call>Discussion on the call

   - NoTimeToWait 2022 announced as October 26-28, 2022. The venue is the
   The Hague.
   - Michael has proposed that we have this meeting as hybrid (in person
   plus remote), and has requested approval for this from our AD.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-issues---Discussion-of-shepherd-writeup-from-Michael-on-the-call>Matroska
issues - Discussion of shepherd writeup from Michael
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/hoyvAqjTxYNpQHdGU59TQXLEbRI/> on
the call.

   - Michael is the document shepherd, and we will pass it on to AD for
   review.
   -

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FLAC-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>FLAC issues -
Discussion on the call

   - from our last call:
      - #138 and #158 need review.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FFV1-v4-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>FFV1 v4
issues - Discussion on the call

   -

<https://notes.ietf.org/#AOB>AOB?

   - Next meeting is 2022-09-27

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Previous-Minutes---CELLAR-%E2%80%93-DRAFT-AGENDA-for-Virtual-Interim-Meeting>Previous
Minutes - CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
DateTimeLocal Times
2022-06-28 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter
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Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Administrivia1>Administrivia
<https://notes.ietf.org/#INFO1>INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-06
Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
<https://notes.ietf.org/#WEB-CONFERENCE1>WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=7e2989e5-733a-4a81-bf0d-2af8713c32b9

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Shared-HedgeDoc-for-notetaking1>Shared HedgeDoc
for notetaking

Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad
at:https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-06-cellar?view


   -

   Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you’ll be able to edit
   these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
   -

   Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#2022-virtual-interim-meeting-dates1>2022 virtual
interim meeting dates

   - Please note our 2022 dates listed at
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Agenda-Items1>Agenda Items
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Note-Well-httpswwwietforgaboutnote-well1>Note
Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Roll-call1>Roll call

Attendees

   - Spencer Dawkins
   - Martijn van Beurden
   - Michael Richardson
   - Dave Rice
   - Steve Lhomme
   - Jérôme Martinez
   - Michael Niedermayer
   -

Regrets

   - Reto Kromer says he’s likely to miss, because he’s in a war zone

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Accept-draft-minutes-from-previous-meeting-attached-below1>Accept
draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

   - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#WG-status-update1>WG status update

   - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-03 was posted 2022-04-24, in ID Exists
   - *draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-10 was posted 2022-04-30, in WG Consensus:
   Waiting for Write-Up, and has been updated after WGLC*
   - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Milestone-review1>Milestone review:

   - FLAC - will not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for
   milestone?
   ** probably done by end of summer, so we don’t need to change the
   milestone date at this time.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Discussion-on-the-call1>Discussion on the call

   - NoTimeToWait 2022 announced as October 26-28, 2022. The venue is the
   The Hague.
   -

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-issues---Discussion-of-shepherd-writeup-from-Michael-on-the-call1>Matroska
issues - Discussion of shepherd writeup from Michael
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/hoyvAqjTxYNpQHdGU59TQXLEbRI/> on
the call.

   -

   Michael to be document shepherd, and pass it on to AD for review.
   -

   Now in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up
   -

   In addition to PR reviews, Steve also asked that we discuss whether we
   need an *IANA Registry For Enums In The Document*
   -

   Michael has reviewed all of the document except the legacy section at
   the end
   -

   Steve has addressed about 80 percent of Michael’s comments (thank you!)
   -

   Need to be clear about the use of BCP14 text, and especially the use of
   SHOULD in our specifications
   -

   We can also use “conditional MUST” statements if we can identify
   scenarios where the MUST would not apply
   -

   How tolerant do archiving repositories need to be, about files that are
   not well-formed (not compliant to the standard you support)
   -

   General recommednation about how to create files? Steve has a PR for
   that.
   -

   Block groups and simple block elements are legal, even if they contain
   no elements
   -

   PR #609 details
   -

   Section 25.3 needs to be redone as a media regisrtation.
   -

   Steve will create PRs with the existing issues that Michael has
   identified with the draft previously

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FLAC-issues---Discussion-on-the-call1>FLAC issues
- Discussion on the call

   - (If time allows) - actually, we can spend all of the August call on
   FLAC, if that’s needed to finish up by end of summer
      - #138 and #158 need review.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FFV1-v4-issues---Discussion-on-the-call1>FFV1 v4
issues - Discussion on the call

   - (Time probably won’t allow on this call - can we pick a date for
   discussion).

<https://notes.ietf.org/#AOB1>AOB?

   - Next meeting is 2022-08-23 - *remember, we skip July*