[Cellar] Agenda for today's interim meeting

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

This agenda, which includes the minutes for our previous meeting, is also
available at
https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-06-cellar?edit.

If you have a moment to check the previous minutes, that would be great.

Please let us know if we missed anything.

Best,

Spencer

CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
DateTimeLocal Times
2022-06-28 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter
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<https://notes.ietf.org/#Administrivia0>Administrivia
<https://notes.ietf.org/#INFO0>INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-06
Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
<https://notes.ietf.org/#WEB-CONFERENCE0>WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=7e2989e5-733a-4a81-bf0d-2af8713c32b9

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Shared-HedgeDoc-for-notetaking0>Shared HedgeDoc
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<https://notes.ietf.org/#2022-virtual-interim-meeting-dates0>2022 virtual
interim meeting dates

   - Please note our 2022 dates listed at
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Agenda-Items0>Agenda Items
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Note-Well-httpswwwietforgaboutnote-well0>Note
Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Roll-call0>Roll call

Attendees

   - Spencer Dawkins
   -

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Accept-draft-minutes-from-previous-meeting-attached-below0>Accept
draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

   - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#WG-status-update0>WG status update

   - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-03 was posted 2022-04-24, in ID Exists
   - *draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-10 was posted 2022-04-30, in WG Consensus:
   Waiting for Write-Up, and has been updated after WGLC*
   - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Milestone-review0>Milestone review:

   - FLAC - will not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for
   milestone?

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Discussion-on-the-call0>Discussion on the call

   - NoTimeToWait 2022 might be October 26-28, 2022.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-issues---Discussion-of-shepherd-writeup-from-Michael-on-the-call>Matroska
issues - Discussion of shepherd writeup from Michael
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/hoyvAqjTxYNpQHdGU59TQXLEbRI/> on
the call.

   -

   Michael to be document shepherd, and pass it on to AD for review.
   -

   Now in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up
   -

   In addition to PR reviews, Steve also asked that we discuss whether we
   need an *IANA Registry For Enums In The Document*

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FLAC-issues---Discussion-on-the-call0>FLAC issues
- Discussion on the call

   - (If time allows)

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FFV1-v4-issues---Discussion-on-the-call0>FFV1 v4
issues - Discussion on the call

   - (Time probably won’t allow on this call - can we pick a date for
   discussion).

<https://notes.ietf.org/#AOB0>AOB?

   - Next meeting is 2022-08-23 - *remember, we skip July*

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Previous-Minutes---CELLAR-%E2%80%93-DRAFT-AGENDA-for-Virtual-Interim-Meeting>Previous
Minutes - CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
DateTimeLocal Times
2022-05-23 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter
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Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Administrivia>Administrivia
<https://notes.ietf.org/#INFO>INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-04
Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
<https://notes.ietf.org/#WEB-CONFERENCE>WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=266c33d6-b629-49e1-963c-5da4befba1ca

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Shared-HedgeDoc-for-notetaking>Shared HedgeDoc for
notetaking

Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad
at:https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-04-cellar?view


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<https://notes.ietf.org/#Logistics-for-Meeting>Logistics for Meeting
<https://notes.ietf.org/#2022-virtual-interim-meeting-dates>2022 virtual
interim meeting dates

   - Please note our 2022 dates listed at
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Agenda-Items>Agenda Items
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Note-Well-httpswwwietforgaboutnote-well>Note Well:
https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ <https://notes.ietf.org/#Roll-call>Roll
call

Attendees

   - Spencer Dawkins
   - Steve Lhomme
   - Michael Richardson
   - Martijn van Beurden
   - Michael Niedermayer

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Accept-draft-minutes-from-previous-meeting-attached-below>Accept
draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

   - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
   *** no comments, some actions to review.
   *** No objections.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#WG-status-update>WG status update

   - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-18 was posted 2021-11-27, in ID Exists needs
   updating.
   - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-03 was posted 2022-04-24, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-10 was posted 2022-04-30, in WG Consensus:
   Waiting for Write-Up, and is has been updated after WGLC.
   - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Milestone-review>Milestone review:

   - done last time.
   - FLAC - will not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for
   milestone?

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Discussion-on-the-call>Discussion on the call

   - ffv1 is close expiry (31 May 2022) , so someone needs to take on
   renewing it.
   - NoTimeToWait 2022 might be October 26-28, 2022.
   - cellar-tags will now get some attention from Steve.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>Matroska
issues - Discussion on the call

   - WGLC has ended, and new version -10 has been posted.
   - Spencer or Michael to be document shepherd, and pass it on to AD for
   review.
      - Now in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FLAC-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>FLAC issues -
Discussion on the call

   - Document now being led by Martijn van Beurden, seems to be making
   significant progress.
   - Jerome posted issue that we should include container mappings,
   specifically for Ogg. For Matroska can just refer to Matroska ID. But, not
   sure about mp4. Needs help determining whether MP4 should be addressed in
   the document.
   - https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/112
   - The registry we’re talking about is for MP4, not from IANA.
   - Container mappings could be their own documents, don’t have to have be
   part of the base FLAC specification.
   - Martjin will reach out to Apple and ask what they want to allocate an
   MP4 container number for FLAC, cc: MCR. It would be best if we could list
   the MP4 container identifier for FLAC in the RFC, before it is published,
   or at worst, during AUTH48.
   -

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FFV1-v4-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>FFV1 v4
issues - Discussion on the call

   - maybe focus of June call.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#AOB>AOB?

   - Next meeting is 2022-06-28 - we skip July