Re: [Cfrg] Safecurves draft
Robert Ransom <rransom.8774@gmail.com> Thu, 09 January 2014 13:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Safecurves draft
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On 1/9/14, Bodo Moeller <bmoeller@acm.org> wrote: > In that context, given that the name > "Curve25519" is already overloaded, and that we probably should make the > Edwards representation available for DH too (in addition to EdDSA), No. Montgomery-form variable-base single-scalar multiplication takes 5M+4S per scalar bit; Edwards-form doublings alone (in ‘extended coordinates with a=-1’) are 4M+4S (or 3M+4S if the output will only be used as input to another doubling). There is no reason to use an Edwards-form y coordinate in a Curve25519 point representation that will be used for DH. (But there's also no reason to use a Montgomery-form y coordinate in a Curve25519 point representation; even if the point will need to be compatible with use in ECDH, use the Edwards-form x coordinate or its sign bit instead.) (For some other curves over large (at least 8-limb) coordinate fields, e.g. s=2170 over the Curve3617 coordinate field, the 3M+6S formulas shown at <http://hyperelliptic.org/EFD/g1p/auto-edwards-yzsquared.html> are faster, but Dr. Bernstein wouldn't consider those curves to be ‘safe’. (The differential addition formulas on that page have an exceptional case at Y1=0.)) Robert Ransom
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