Re: [Cfrg] Compression of tori in draft-irtf-cfrg-pairing-friendly-curves-02

Yumi Sakemi <yumi.sakemi@lepidum.co.jp> Sat, 21 March 2020 07:29 UTC

Return-Path: <yumi.sakemi@lepidum.co.jp>
X-Original-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883263A0BFC for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 00:29:52 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.898
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lepidum-co-jp.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M82NVTcQkML2 for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 00:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A92C3A0BEB for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 00:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id o10so8909198ljc.8 for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 00:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lepidum-co-jp.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/xLNV+zkS9mheXd44WHjbYXoEe4C1FokyZYZ9X7mcyQ=; b=eyMWy18VBGTAU3ykrLwRByWM3c8xqSrh7FmOIORJFfjkZkR8GLY3IZpc41DYibdarS YIf3AtmomMy2/235FG7RuxyomfGOd6HL4+hIigM9zb/8vfuYEQXQ8fqwcaicW4TDGUqi t+ZhVh2ylnYmGh/34ZoK4PJC56zcsqakq1OifcWgtAbxVeabY9n70DzpFEfC6xeiJAy3 wePbD9VknRYBc3ueGnX1MkVmS2mWxQNQCZjKZkN30JkHw4/rR6//aUfKLaXOENINBDEg QHXg4ZGmsvsjIbk9Bs9n/9ulkQjLDDFyl4cfL6OVnlgVj/ZMUt9Lm2mAUIXXX4efdvN1 T0IQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/xLNV+zkS9mheXd44WHjbYXoEe4C1FokyZYZ9X7mcyQ=; b=koEL6H1bf75A5DuBO/mTfluPuIylpobyXe/+Hs7aW4iibJeb3uB2bvhiq2MH/Kg5UW /TqrMnNxAruEIgrHKLCn9H6ogsi+Qms4Jzu5rTedOp/9pkK69/qWfG7H3FIlQi6zWK6p vRxmI47ZpWL3LxMkd1+Xayx3mavsqKBKoJMGui+XN/veRxmZR/efQAvAnctJcMBIgA0J NYLQ+cPKV/OZHVcUp6HclIKMxLxpTfYRDVqBMCvJl1PuvVnMzycEtdaLxJroWKDJDVzl B40LQ51WrdOsi01kIjzOpUIdrwMZ+jy7SLbx6RdJ+JxNAnM/lwPMYANYyx/KcoHP7L8Z +lFQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ3MS3HYrzgfn59znjFpuiGbCcbzr0GoQHqN3g+olkxvv4HMJGu+ li+Wg+H3I79gItidqkYdiF7Oiyw0cVH4UXKYPwdqdg==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vu0L/A7wula5cG7RjQA8OBGfzKPCaeszRd9K8qoP8IxixBTBFI/Jp8fc/pO2/mWV9oqsEutZ/Z7NHAikvLDdNI=
X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a361:: with SMTP id i1mr7850718ljn.70.1584775787346; Sat, 21 Mar 2020 00:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <CAN2QdAEe+sduY8nUnPDCTUQa=06QB1Zwavo_=-kA5opBNL6_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAN2QdAEe+sduY8nUnPDCTUQa=06QB1Zwavo_=-kA5opBNL6_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Yumi Sakemi <yumi.sakemi@lepidum.co.jp>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 16:29:36 +0900
Message-ID: <CAA4D8KawB4mni+dan==bYV+=KRs0m4J_kjsESzOyxLKE14m8rQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Watson Ladd <watson=40cloudflare.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: cfrg@irtf.org, Tetsutaro Kobayashi <tetsutaro.kobayashi.dr@hco.ntt.co.jp>, SAITO Tsunekazu <tsunekazu.saito.hg@hco.ntt.co.jp>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000da8d6405a1585d39"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cfrg/L_GmTQ0TAD3JxSrhCA6RrgKJRyE>
Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Compression of tori in draft-irtf-cfrg-pairing-friendly-curves-02
X-BeenThere: cfrg@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Crypto Forum Research Group <cfrg.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/cfrg>, <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/cfrg/>
List-Post: <mailto:cfrg@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg>, <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 07:29:53 -0000

Dear Dr. Watson,

Thank you for your comments.
I'm glad you to read our draft!!

The compress techniques are very interesting for us.
According to your comments, I will discuss with co-authors and
update our draft.

Best regards,
Yumi

---
Yumi Sakemi, Ph. D.
Lepidum Co. Ltd.
E-Mail: yumi.sakemi@lepidum.co.jp

2020年3月20日(金) 6:09 Watson Ladd <watson=40cloudflare.com@dmarc.ietf.org>:

> Dear all,
>
> In the latest draft I see that F_{p^k} is represented directly as
> polynomials modulo an irreducible of degree k, and GT is encoded
> accordingly. This is space inefficient.
>
> In most cases k is even. Let q=p^(k/2) Consider F_q[x]/(x^2+d), the
> quadratic extension of F_{q }, and now consider the result of a
> pairing in it. As in https://eprint.iacr.org/2004/032.pdf, it is clear
> that the result satisfies a quadratic equation: a^2-db^2=1, where the
> element is a+bx.
>
> Therefore we can send only a, which is much smaller, and ecode b as a
> single bit.
>
> This technique is very useful in any protocol where an element of GT
> must be sent.
>
> Sincerely,
> Watson Ladd
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cfrg mailing list
> Cfrg@irtf.org
> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg
>