[Cfrg] Please stop the UMAC posts!
Ted Krovetz <tdk@acm.org> Tue, 04 October 2005 21:38 UTC
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Subject: [Cfrg] Please stop the UMAC posts!
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Fellow sufferers, By now, and perhaps for quite some time, we have all had enough of these endless UMAC posts. They seem to be characterized by Bernstein flinging mud (or something rather smellier) at UMAC and its authors, and us feeling obliged to respond because UMAC is in IESG review. Today is the date of the original 4-week timeout that the RFC editor placed on the IESG for UMAC comments. In that spirit I ask, please, Russ Housley, or whoever else has the authority to end this madness, please close the comment period so that we can all get on with our lives. (Hugo humorously has called Bernstein's posts a denial-of- service attack on all of us.) An internet draft is not a place to state formal theorems; it is a document to specify a technology. In the case of security mechanisms, it is desirable (and seldom done) to provide some information about the results backing up the proposed mechanisms. UMAC has done this, providing much more information and accuracy than most I-Ds (and RFCs) do. It has never been our intention to provide mathematical statements in this document. Those are provided in scientific papers and referred to in the I-D. We have lately added clarifications on the insignificance of the birthday bounds, since this was not included in the UMAC publications, which only talked about PRFs. Shortly we will put a note on the UMAC web page to document a sample sequence of claims that can be used to conclude the stated UMAC bounds starting from a PRP (instead of starting with a PRF, as in our original work). At this point it needs to be stated clearly and unequivocally that our explanations and descriptions of UMAC in the I-D have always been honest, fair, and accurate. None of the "errors" pointed out by Bernstein have been problematic issues; the complaints seem mostly to be aimed to discredit the scheme and its authors. We have been incredibly patient in responding to these calumnious allegations. Where a worthy complaint was made concerning the missing prf-to-prp argument, we verified that it was not an issue, added a comment in the I-D, and, as we said, we'll drop a note to the UMAC web page to document the (easy) sequence of steps one needs to conclude the given bounds. The rest has just been tiresome personal attacks, plaguing this list with a lot of unpleasantness. Our patience has limits and we cannot keep answering to every fabricated piece of "evidence" by Bernstein against UMAC and its authors. So as long as there are no further *substantial* comments, we will ignore further postings by this person. We request IESG consideration for RFC publication of the current UMAC draft. Thank you, Ted Krovetz PS -- As for Bernstein's latest attempt to make mud stick? Krovetz's thesis does have a stated bound of 3*2^(-32) + 2^(-33). This is true. But, perhaps Bernstein does not understand how bounds work? They can be correct and loose at the same time. The bound is correct, but not as tight as could be. It collects terms to be more readable and has 2^-32 too much because the thesis version referred to signed multiplication in the first-layer hash. A tighter bound is 2^-31 + 2^-34 + 2^49, which works fine without exceeding the 2^-30n bound stated in the I-D. I pointed this out to him on this list Sep 28, so it looks like Bernstein is so desperate he is even flinging the same discredited mud twice! _______________________________________________ Cfrg mailing list Cfrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg
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