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Re: [CFRG] [EXT] Re: Adoption Call: Guidelines for Writing Cryptography Specifications

"Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu> Tue, 20 June 2023 16:45 UTC

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From: "Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu>
To: Thom Wiggers <thom@thomwiggers.nl>, "Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev" <smyshsv@gmail.com>
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>> For example, when describing group operations using multiplicative notation,
>> the multiplication symbol * should be used instead of the x symbol.
>
> Say, some field uses another notation; e.g. [k]P for scalar multiplication
> in elliptic curves.

Respectfully disagree. While some respected publications do use [k]P notation, other respected publications and textbooks do use k*P for scalar multiplication in EC.

> Should authors stick with what is familiar in the context of their specification,
> or should they try to be consistent with the recommendations in this draft?

I see no harm in following recommendations of this draft - though it's not a normative reference, aka - it shouldn't be enforced.

TNX

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