[CFRG] Re: RGLC on draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-limits

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 03 March 2025 17:37 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: "Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev" <smyshsv@gmail.com>, CFRG <cfrg@irtf.org>
Thread-Topic: [CFRG] Re: RGLC on draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-limits
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:37:33 +0000
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I read the document – I supported it early on. While the analysis is outside my skillset, I think this is a highly useful document.

I think for many protocols (except perhaps IPsec as Thomas pointed out)
          |      s | Total plaintext length in all messages    |
          |        | (in blocks)                               |
          +--------+-------------------------------------------+
          |      q | Number of protected messages (AEAD        |
          |        | encryption invocations)

“s” will be more useful than “q”   Perhaps a sentence saying that makes sense to add. Either way, I think this is ready to advance.