Re: [Cfrg] Use of the term "deprecated"

"Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" <pkampana@cisco.com> Fri, 08 December 2017 15:31 UTC

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From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" <pkampana@cisco.com>
To: Erik Andersen <era@x500.eu>, Cfrg <cfrg@irtf.org>
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Hi Erik,

For what it is worth, our "subjective" Cisco approach includes the term Legacy which is equivalent to Deprecated. The definition is "Legacy algorithms provide a marginal but acceptable security level. They should be used only when no better alternatives are available, such as when interoperating with legacy equipment. It is recommended that these legacy algorithms be phased out and replaced with stronger algorithms." In the table https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/about/security-center/next-generation-cryptography.html#2 you will see we are flagging SHA1 as legacy, MD5 as avoid.

Rgs,
Panos


From: Cfrg [mailto:cfrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Erik Andersen
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Subject: [Cfrg] Use of the term "deprecated"

In the smart grid security standards the term deprecated is used for certain cryptographic algorithms, such as SHA-1, instead of disallowing them. NIST in SP 800-57, Part 1 Revision 4 has stopped using the term deprecated.

What is the general feeling among  list members on using the term deprecated on cryptographic algorithms?

Erik