Re: [Cfrg] RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-gcmsiv-06

Andy Polyakov <> Tue, 19 September 2017 09:52 UTC

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> I would like to re-emphase a few points (although they have been already
> nicely stated). 
> The purpose of using POLYVAL is not performance. It is "consistency".
> The performance gains are a marginal bonus (and if they are ephemeral it
> does not matter). 

So we agree that performance *gains* are marginal. Should we consider
performance *losses* elsewhere? For example for those who choose "easy
way out". Or have to do so, for example because they have dedicated
GHASH hardware. But even if we take performance out of equation, do we
all agree that "consistency" is sufficient by its own? To justify
additional implementation/diversity costs that is. Do note that we are
not exactly still struggling with GCM. Effectively thanks to

> I proposed a way to solve this
> ( ,

And once again, if we agree that "consistency" is sufficient by its own,
does it have to be interwoven with specific mode specification? Isn't it
like starting building house from *roof*? If we consider that we would
be better off if primitives were little-endian-centric, then let's say
that and start building *foundation*...