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Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Wed, 15 March 2023 14:15 UTC

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From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 07:15:27 -0700
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To: Matt Mathis <mattmathis@measurementlab.net>
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Subject: Re: [Congress] [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-scheffenegger-congress-rfc5033bis-00.txt
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Re-upping this thread to remove working group lists except Congress.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:23 AM Matt Mathis <mattmathis@measurementlab.net>
wrote:

> I obscured my real point by mentioning deployability.
>
> More directly: there is no consensus on the optimal designs for video
> conferencing over WiFI, gaming over WiFi and buik data over WiFi, because
> they have mutually exclusive requirements for the WiFi.   Even if you
> imagine [deployed] [consensus] on DSCP bits, half duplex media can't
> simultaneously implement optimal solutions for all 3 usecases.  Some
> compromise is required.  e.g. upper and lower bound on channel
> acquisition times, and the backlog (queue) needed for a bulk flow to
> trigger channel acquisition.
>
> Without DSCP, none of the designs do well for everybody.
>
> I suspect that this conversation will eventually happen in congress, but
> we do not understand it well enough to propose solutions (which was my push
> back to Dave Taht).
>
> Thanks,
> --MM--
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 4:47 AM Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote:
>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> On 19.02.23 15:10, Matt Mathis wrote:
>> > Dave, I was referring to the underlying technical problems for WiFi CC
>> > and competition between video conferencing, gaming and bulk data. Are
>> > you convinced that there exist deployable solutions that would
>> > be viewed as correct by all parties?  I am not.
>>
>> Indeed.  This feels like what the first sentence of the Introduction of
>> RFC 2474 was intended to address, no?  [Your point about "deployable" is
>> noted in this context.]
>>
>> Eliot
>>
>>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> --MM--
> Evil is defined by mortals who think they know "The Truth" and use force
> to apply it to others.
>

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