Re: [Congress] Éric Vyncke's Block on charter-ietf-congress-00-00: (with BLOCK and COMMENT)
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From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker <zaheduzzaman.sarker@ericsson.com>
To: Éric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Congress] Éric Vyncke's Block on charter-ietf-congress-00-00: (with BLOCK and COMMENT)
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Hi Eric, Thanks for your comments. Let’s address your blocking comments. //Zahed On 2023-03-09, 11:01, "iesg" <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> wrote: Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-congress-00-00: Block When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-congress/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BLOCK: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Indeed, the world has changed since TCP is no more *the* protocol, so this work is welcome. I think that this text needs a rewrite: `However, if the working group has adopted further work in accordance with the guidelines above, it can recharter, add milestones for them, and continue until that work is complete.` Isn't the above putting the cart before the horses ? I.e., why not doing the usual process of rechartering *before* adopting an IETF draft ? (this of course does not prevent the WG to work/discuss an individual draft) The intention here is allow the WG to be closed and not create the expectation that CONGESS is an everlasting WG for congestion control algorithm in IETF. Of course, the WG will adopt items that falls into the charter and exists until those are completely delivered for publication (or dropped for some reasons). I start to think that we can just remove the whole last sentence (starting form – However,) . Will that help? Another point is about what will be the deliverables of this WG ? The current charter appears to be more suited for a directorate (doing reviews of WG documents) than for a WG (publishing documents). There is a proposed milestone: deliver 5033bis to IESG. Is that not good enough? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- One comment about `empirical evidence of safety` as safety is rather vague (or do you mean information security or network stability ?). My understanding is avoiding congestion collapse. "Empirical" is also rather vague, should it rather be "experimental" ? OK. I second Erik Kline's comment on ### P7/Bullet 1. Please follow up on that in the other email thread.
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- Re: [Congress] Éric Vyncke's Block on charter-iet… Zaheduzzaman Sarker
- Re: [Congress] Éric Vyncke's Block on charter-iet… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [Congress] Éric Vyncke's Block on charter-iet… Zaheduzzaman Sarker
- Re: [Congress] Éric Vyncke's Block on charter-iet… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [Congress] Éric Vyncke's Block on charter-iet… Zaheduzzaman Sarker
- Re: [Congress] Éric Vyncke's Block on charter-iet… Reese Enghardt