Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D

<L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk> Wed, 29 September 2010 16:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D
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"multicast resource manipulation" is not a topic per se.

HTTP-DTN was proposed as running over Saratoga (UDP + necessary reliability for large files and resend) and Saratoga supports multicast.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga

You might also look into DDS, which is publish/subscribe CORBA middleware that does resource management and claims support of multicast as one of its transports.

http://www.opendds.org/transport.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Distribution_Service

-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Lynn [mailto:kerlyn2001@gmail.com] 
Sent: 29 September 2010 17:24
To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng)
Cc: core@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D
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Do any of this work specifically address the topic of multicast resource manipulation?

-K-

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM,  <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
> The Goland draft mentioned below is a ten-year-old proposal.
>
> Rather more useful and general than trying to specify http over UDP is breaking http from TCP as a separate layer, and then putting it over a variety of reliable transports, be they UDP-based, SCTP, TCP or otherwise.
>
> Some notes on this and various pieces of work in this area are at:
> http://personal.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/publications/internet-
> drafts/draft-wood-dtnrg-http-dtn-delivery/lloyd-wood-turning-http-into
> -a-standalone-layer-ietf-75-tsvarea-slides.pdf
> Turning HTTP into a standalone layer: decoupling HTTP from TCP, talk given to the TSVAREA meeting, IETF 75, Stockholm, 27 July 2009.
>
> and on
> http://personal.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/dtn/http-dtn
>
> delay-tolerant networking (DTN) provided a motivation for separating HTTP from TCP for environments where TCP fails, but the overall need to treat HTTP as a separate layer remains; just ignore the DTN-forwarding-specific Content- headers.
>
> (meanwhile, Joe Touch would be interested in getting BGP off of only 
> TCP, and onto e.g. SCTP... again, breaking coupling between layers in 
> implementations with greater use of layering. HTTP really is a layer 
> in its own right, and should be able to run over any reliable 
> transport.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: core-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:core-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf 
> Of Kerry Lynn
> Sent: 29 September 2010 17:10
> To: core
> Subject: [core] Link to multicast http I-D
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-goland-http-udp-01
>
> -K-
>

[core] Link to multicast http I-D Kerry Lynn
Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D L.Wood
Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D Kerry Lynn
Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D L.Wood
Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D Carsten Bormann
Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D Zach Shelby
Re: [core] Link to multicast http I-D Carsten Bormann